[pp.int.general] Greens saying Pirate Parties unnecessary"

[Alex Foti]

i thought it was halloween purple (or is it orange?)

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Rodrigo Pereira <rodripe at gmail.com> wrote:
> We have a problem: We haven't a color.
>
> But we are Transparent ;)
>
> Rodrix
> http://www.partidopirata.org
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> 2009/9/15 Alex Foti <alex.foti at gmail.com>
>>
>> your subject should've been more correctly titled "Canadian Greens
>> saying Pirate Parties unnecessary", because a cursory reading makes it
>> look like Cohn-Bendit or some other prominent greens said that. Also,
>> climate change is a pretty big issue and I don't really see how greens
>> would compromise pirate rights for climate justice. In general, I have
>> a hard time thinking of an eco-issue where there's a tradeoff between
>> environmental needs and rights of expression (maybe it's my lack of
>> imagination). Finally, it's telling that Benkler in The Wealth of
>> Networks brands as greens the group embracing a sharing philosophy of
>> p2p production, as distinct from the blues embracing strong public
>> domain coupled with copyright law, and the reds favoring market
>> copyrighted solutions always (in the US, democrats are blue and
>> republicans are red).
>>
>> ciao and solidarity to german pirates beaten by police,
>>
>> lx
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Eric Priezkalns
>> <eric.priezkalns at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
>> > Jamie,
>> >
>> > I don't understand your point.  The Canadians and other Green parties
>> > say
>> > there is no need for a Pirate Party because they have the relevant
>> > policies
>> > already.  You respond by saying this is not just propaganda - does that
>> > mean
>> > you don't think there is a need for a Pirate Party?  When other parties
>> > say
>> > they have green policies, do the Greens say "look, they have green
>> > policies
>> > - we don't need to exist"?  My question wasn't about whether people have
>> > a
>> > nice fuzzy feeling about the Greens deep down in their soul or whether
>> > we
>> > think the Greens are run by lovely people with their hearts in the right
>> > place when it comes to intellectual property.  It was about how they are
>> > using propaganda to hurt the Pirate Parties and asking how the Pirate
>> > Parties intend to respond.  Either the response is collective at
>> > international level, or it will have to be done at national level,
>> > because
>> > somebody has to respond.  Green candidates are going to compete with
>> > Pirate
>> > candidates for the same votes.  If Green Parties say there is no need
>> > for
>> > Pirate Parties and point to the European Parliament as evidence, the
>> > correct
>> > answer from a Pirate Party spokesperson or candidate cannot be to simply
>> > comment on what a good job the Greens would do if they were elected
>> > instead
>> > of the Pirate Party's candidate.
>> >
>> > E
>> >
>> >
>> > On 15 Sep 2009, at 13:07, jamie king wrote:
>> >
>> >> I wouldn't say it's just propaganda. The uk Greens showed 'STEAL THIS
>> >> FILM II' at their conference last year -- so I guess even before
>> >> Pirate Party looked more viable, they were thinking about these
>> >> issues. Just saying.
>> >>
>> >> j
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eric Priezkalns
>> >> <eric.priezkalns at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> This is a snip from an interview with the leader of the Greens in
>> >>> Canada,
>> >>> Elizabeth May.  The full interview is
>> >>> here: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28206
>> >>> "p2pnet: What do you think of Pirate Parties and the fact it looks as
>> >>> though
>> >>> Canada and soon join other countries in having one of its own?
>> >>> May: Did you notice that the Pirate Party in the EU Parliament has
>> >>> joined
>> >>> the Green Caucus?  We don’t need a pirate party in Canada. The greens
>> >>> are
>> >>> championing those issues. We shouldn’t further fracture the efforts of
>> >>> Canadians who want to restore real democracy, including in
>> >>> undemocratic
>> >>> copyright rules."
>> >>> Elizabeth May has previously said similar things in an attempt to
>> >>> undermine
>> >>> the Pirate Party of Canada.  We've got 'Green Pirates' trying to win
>> >>> new
>> >>> votes for the Green party in mainland Europe.  In the UK, similar
>> >>> things
>> >>> are
>> >>> starting to happen, with the Green Party attempting to undermine
>> >>> Pirate
>> >>> Party support because they see it as a threat.
>> >>> Who is taking the lead to counter Green Party propaganda, publicly
>> >>> saying
>> >>> there is a need for a separate Pirate Party movement?  If it is not
>> >>> coordinated internationally, than national parties will have no choice
>> >>> but
>> >>> to fight back individually to stop votes, members and support being
>> >>> lost
>> >>> to
>> >>> the Green Party.
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Eric
>> >>>
>> >>> Eric Priezkalns
>> >>> Treasurer
>> >>> Pirate Party UK
>> >>> +44 7958 467273
>> >>> treasurer at pirateparty.org.uk
>> >>> http://pirateparty.org.uk
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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