[pp.int.general] Greens saying Pirate Parties unnecessary"

Tue Sep 15 15:33:53 CEST 2009

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2009/9/15 Alex Foti <alex.foti at gmail.com>

> your subject should've been more correctly titled "Canadian Greens
> saying Pirate Parties unnecessary", because a cursory reading makes it
> look like Cohn-Bendit or some other prominent greens said that. Also,
> climate change is a pretty big issue and I don't really see how greens
> would compromise pirate rights for climate justice. In general, I have
> a hard time thinking of an eco-issue where there's a tradeoff between
> environmental needs and rights of expression (maybe it's my lack of
> imagination). Finally, it's telling that Benkler in The Wealth of
> Networks brands as greens the group embracing a sharing philosophy of
> p2p production, as distinct from the blues embracing strong public
> domain coupled with copyright law, and the reds favoring market
> copyrighted solutions always (in the US, democrats are blue and
> republicans are red).
>
> ciao and solidarity to german pirates beaten by police,
>
> lx
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Eric Priezkalns
> <eric.priezkalns at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
> > Jamie,
> >
> > I don't understand your point.  The Canadians and other Green parties say
> > there is no need for a Pirate Party because they have the relevant
> policies
> > already.  You respond by saying this is not just propaganda - does that
> mean
> > you don't think there is a need for a Pirate Party?  When other parties
> say
> > they have green policies, do the Greens say "look, they have green
> policies
> > - we don't need to exist"?  My question wasn't about whether people have
> a
> > nice fuzzy feeling about the Greens deep down in their soul or whether we
> > think the Greens are run by lovely people with their hearts in the right
> > place when it comes to intellectual property.  It was about how they are
> > using propaganda to hurt the Pirate Parties and asking how the Pirate
> > Parties intend to respond.  Either the response is collective at
> > international level, or it will have to be done at national level,
> because
> > somebody has to respond.  Green candidates are going to compete with
> Pirate
> > candidates for the same votes.  If Green Parties say there is no need for
> > Pirate Parties and point to the European Parliament as evidence, the
> correct
> > answer from a Pirate Party spokesperson or candidate cannot be to simply
> > comment on what a good job the Greens would do if they were elected
> instead
> > of the Pirate Party's candidate.
> >
> > E
> >
> >
> > On 15 Sep 2009, at 13:07, jamie king wrote:
> >
> >> I wouldn't say it's just propaganda. The uk Greens showed 'STEAL THIS
> >> FILM II' at their conference last year -- so I guess even before
> >> Pirate Party looked more viable, they were thinking about these
> >> issues. Just saying.
> >>
> >> j
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eric Priezkalns
> >> <eric.priezkalns at pirateparty.org.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is a snip from an interview with the leader of the Greens in
> Canada,
> >>> Elizabeth May.  The full interview is
> >>> here: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/28206
> >>> "p2pnet: What do you think of Pirate Parties and the fact it looks as
> >>> though
> >>> Canada and soon join other countries in having one of its own?
> >>> May: Did you notice that the Pirate Party in the EU Parliament has
> joined
> >>> the Green Caucus?  We don’t need a pirate party in Canada. The greens
> are
> >>> championing those issues. We shouldn’t further fracture the efforts of
> >>> Canadians who want to restore real democracy, including in undemocratic
> >>> copyright rules."
> >>> Elizabeth May has previously said similar things in an attempt to
> >>> undermine
> >>> the Pirate Party of Canada.  We've got 'Green Pirates' trying to win
> new
> >>> votes for the Green party in mainland Europe.  In the UK, similar
> things
> >>> are
> >>> starting to happen, with the Green Party attempting to undermine Pirate
> >>> Party support because they see it as a threat.
> >>> Who is taking the lead to counter Green Party propaganda, publicly
> saying
> >>> there is a need for a separate Pirate Party movement?  If it is not
> >>> coordinated internationally, than national parties will have no choice
> >>> but
> >>> to fight back individually to stop votes, members and support being
> lost
> >>> to
> >>> the Green Party.
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eric
> >>>
> >>> Eric Priezkalns
> >>> Treasurer
> >>> Pirate Party UK
> >>> +44 7958 467273
> >>> treasurer at pirateparty.org.uk
> >>> http://pirateparty.org.uk
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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