[pp.int.general] How PPI should look like - our humble opinion

Thu Apr 22 22:47:40 CEST 2010

:))) np. http://www.polanka.mierzeja.com/index.php?id=2

Blazej

2010/4/22 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>:
> Yes, I just forgot to inform the rest of the board, but now we have.. ;)
>
> - Nicolas
>   PPI
>
> 2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>
>>
>> Poland is ready to host conference if needed - PPI board was informed
>>
>> Blazej
>> PP Piland
>>
>> 2010/4/22 Alex <formless at gmail.com>:
>> >>on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for national
>> >> parties untill next conference, though the constituent parties will have the
>> >> right to recall.
>> >
>> > i'm afraid it would be the same country all the time. Sweden or Germany
>> > :-)
>> >
>> >>Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for
>> >> example money from parties to fund conference.
>> >
>> > ouch.
>> >
>> > Swedish party will have to finance everything, because there are a lot
>> > of parties (around 30!) with 2-10 members. These parties desperately
>> > need funding, not the other way around.
>> >
>> > But, i wouldn't bet on the swedes tho, their party is losing members
>> > like crazy. thousands a day. makes you think. By the time we finish
>> > discussing proposals PP-SE will be smaller than DE.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>:
>> >> Maybe it is time to discuss our proposals?
>> >>
>> >> At least conciser them.
>> >>
>> >> kaczor
>> >>
>> >> 2010/4/18 Robert Mitwicki <robert.mitwicki at partiapiratow.org.pl>:
>> >>> The international conference should be the start of creating PPI not
>> >>> the end ... We all know that we put work with the PPI statue remotely
>> >>> but You can't decide real principles without   meeting like today.
>> >>> Until yesterday international meeting were about meeting people talk
>> >>> to them, exchange knowledge and experience not 11h voting. Principles
>> >>> were broken, because of that. We need to find solution of this
>> >>> problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> And one more ... never is too late !
>> >>>
>> >>> PP Poland
>> >>>
>> >>> 2010/4/17 W Tovey <will.tovey at pp-international.net>
>> >>>> I hope some of the issues raised in this have been sorted out in the
>> >>>> final version of the statutes as approved earlier this evening or are
>> >>>> left to the secondary rules/guidelines such as the procedures for the
>> >>>> general assembly/conference. As I hope was made clear during the
>> >>>> discussions (and I apologies if it wasn't) the statutes agreed on
>> >>>> today
>> >>>> are more the rough technicalities of how PPI operates, not the grand
>> >>>> ideals of the Pirate Movement, nor the exact details of the
>> >>>> day-to-day
>> >>>> running of it. I did try to make sure that all concerns raised were
>> >>>> discussed and, if possible addressed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would expect that the first PPI Board voted tomorrow is able to
>> >>>> work
>> >>>> with you (and all other Pirates and Parties) in ensuring PPI operates
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> a way as close as possible to what we would like. Obviously, the best
>> >>>> way to make sure this happens would be to stand in the election; do
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> by emailing me or the Coreteam with your name and the position(s) for
>> >>>> which you would like to stand by 8.30 CEST (6.30 GMT). If you are not
>> >>>> able to attend the conference (either in person or remotely) you
>> >>>> might
>> >>>> also want to include some short comments as to why people should vote
>> >>>> for you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The positions available are; Co-chairman, Chief Administrative
>> >>>> Officer,
>> >>>> Treasurer and Board member.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Will
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 17/04/2010 22:50, Justus Ršoemeth wrote:
>> >>>>> A bit late, isn't it? I mean there was a chance to work on the
>> >>>>> statutes online, and/or send a different proposal for statutes for
>> >>>>> months...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And what exactly makes a country being spokesman better than a
>> >>>>> system
>> >>>>> that has an elected board not neccessarly from the national
>> >>>>> spokespersons? I think most pirate parties agree on the last point,
>> >>>>> but what exactly makes this proposal superior to the one that is
>> >>>>> being
>> >>>>> discussed at the conference at the moment? What parts of the one
>> >>>>> being
>> >>>>> discussed at the moment makes you feel uneasy as to the last point?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 17.04.10 18:01, Błażej Kaczorowski wrote:
>> >>>>>> What should PPI look like:
>> >>>>>> - conference at least once a year, delegates (or delegate) would
>> >>>>>> represent each county
>> >>>>>> - on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for
>> >>>>>> national parties untill next conference, though the constituent
>> >>>>>> parties will have the right to recall.
>> >>>>>> - once a month delegates (chosen by national parties) meets remotly
>> >>>>>> (IRC) and discuss interentional cases - amendments and ideas are
>> >>>>>> presented to boards in every country
>> >>>>>> - spokemen country can't make any binding decision without contact
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> national parties boards (it can also call for immediet IRC
>> >>>>>> gathering
>> >>>>>> to get proper confirmation)
>> >>>>>> - working groups will be ellected on confernece to perform
>> >>>>>> maitenece
>> >>>>>> tasks untill next conference (webpage etc.)
>> >>>>>> - Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis,
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> example money from parties to fund conference.
>> >>>>>> - All local parties commit to provide the financial means, within
>> >>>>>> their capablities and if needed, to make funding of the annual
>> >>>>>> meeting
>> >>>>>> possible.
>> >>>>>> - We want to see PPI as a united federation of international Pirate
>> >>>>>> Parties, not a centralised global pirate party.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://wiki.partiapiratow.org.pl/index.php?title=Propozycja
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Blazej and Robert from Poland
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Tess and Ella from Sweden
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Andrew from UK
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Monika nad Jurgen from Belgum
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Christian from Romania
>> >>>>>> ____________________________________________________
>> >>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> >>>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________
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>> >>>> ____________________________________________________
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>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Robert Mitwicki
>> >>> Kontakt:
>> >>>     jid: mitfik at jabber.org
>> >>>     e-mail: mitfik at gmail.com
>> >>> ------------------------------------------
>> >>>
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