[pp.int.general] How PPI should look like - our humble opinion

Thu Apr 22 22:46:45 CEST 2010

Yes, I just forgot to inform the rest of the board, but now we have.. ;)

- Nicolas
  PPI

2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>

> Poland is ready to host conference if needed - PPI board was informed
>
> Blazej
> PP Piland
>
> 2010/4/22 Alex <formless at gmail.com>:
> >>on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for national
> parties untill next conference, though the constituent parties will have the
> right to recall.
> >
> > i'm afraid it would be the same country all the time. Sweden or Germany
> :-)
> >
> >>Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for
> example money from parties to fund conference.
> >
> > ouch.
> >
> > Swedish party will have to finance everything, because there are a lot
> > of parties (around 30!) with 2-10 members. These parties desperately
> > need funding, not the other way around.
> >
> > But, i wouldn't bet on the swedes tho, their party is losing members
> > like crazy. thousands a day. makes you think. By the time we finish
> > discussing proposals PP-SE will be smaller than DE.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>:
> >> Maybe it is time to discuss our proposals?
> >>
> >> At least conciser them.
> >>
> >> kaczor
> >>
> >> 2010/4/18 Robert Mitwicki <robert.mitwicki at partiapiratow.org.pl>:
> >>> The international conference should be the start of creating PPI not
> >>> the end ... We all know that we put work with the PPI statue remotely
> >>> but You can't decide real principles without   meeting like today.
> >>> Until yesterday international meeting were about meeting people talk
> >>> to them, exchange knowledge and experience not 11h voting. Principles
> >>> were broken, because of that. We need to find solution of this
> >>> problem.
> >>>
> >>> And one more ... never is too late !
> >>>
> >>> PP Poland
> >>>
> >>> 2010/4/17 W Tovey <will.tovey at pp-international.net>
> >>>> I hope some of the issues raised in this have been sorted out in the
> >>>> final version of the statutes as approved earlier this evening or are
> >>>> left to the secondary rules/guidelines such as the procedures for the
> >>>> general assembly/conference. As I hope was made clear during the
> >>>> discussions (and I apologies if it wasn't) the statutes agreed on
> today
> >>>> are more the rough technicalities of how PPI operates, not the grand
> >>>> ideals of the Pirate Movement, nor the exact details of the day-to-day
> >>>> running of it. I did try to make sure that all concerns raised were
> >>>> discussed and, if possible addressed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would expect that the first PPI Board voted tomorrow is able to work
> >>>> with you (and all other Pirates and Parties) in ensuring PPI operates
> in
> >>>> a way as close as possible to what we would like. Obviously, the best
> >>>> way to make sure this happens would be to stand in the election; do
> this
> >>>> by emailing me or the Coreteam with your name and the position(s) for
> >>>> which you would like to stand by 8.30 CEST (6.30 GMT). If you are not
> >>>> able to attend the conference (either in person or remotely) you might
> >>>> also want to include some short comments as to why people should vote
> >>>> for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> The positions available are; Co-chairman, Chief Administrative
> Officer,
> >>>> Treasurer and Board member.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Will
> >>>>
> >>>> On 17/04/2010 22:50, Justus Ršoemeth wrote:
> >>>>> A bit late, isn't it? I mean there was a chance to work on the
> >>>>> statutes online, and/or send a different proposal for statutes for
> >>>>> months...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And what exactly makes a country being spokesman better than a system
> >>>>> that has an elected board not neccessarly from the national
> >>>>> spokespersons? I think most pirate parties agree on the last point,
> >>>>> but what exactly makes this proposal superior to the one that is
> being
> >>>>> discussed at the conference at the moment? What parts of the one
> being
> >>>>> discussed at the moment makes you feel uneasy as to the last point?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 17.04.10 18:01, Błażej Kaczorowski wrote:
> >>>>>> What should PPI look like:
> >>>>>> - conference at least once a year, delegates (or delegate) would
> >>>>>> represent each county
> >>>>>> - on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for
> >>>>>> national parties untill next conference, though the constituent
> >>>>>> parties will have the right to recall.
> >>>>>> - once a month delegates (chosen by national parties) meets remotly
> >>>>>> (IRC) and discuss interentional cases - amendments and ideas are
> >>>>>> presented to boards in every country
> >>>>>> - spokemen country can't make any binding decision without contact
> to
> >>>>>> national parties boards (it can also call for immediet IRC gathering
> >>>>>> to get proper confirmation)
> >>>>>> - working groups will be ellected on confernece to perform maitenece
> >>>>>> tasks untill next conference (webpage etc.)
> >>>>>> - Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis,
> for
> >>>>>> example money from parties to fund conference.
> >>>>>> - All local parties commit to provide the financial means, within
> >>>>>> their capablities and if needed, to make funding of the annual
> meeting
> >>>>>> possible.
> >>>>>> - We want to see PPI as a united federation of international Pirate
> >>>>>> Parties, not a centralised global pirate party.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://wiki.partiapiratow.org.pl/index.php?title=Propozycja
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Blazej and Robert from Poland
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tess and Ella from Sweden
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andrew from UK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Monika nad Jurgen from Belgum
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Christian from Romania
> >>>>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> >>>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >>>>>>
> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ____________________________________________________
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> >>>> ____________________________________________________
> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
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> >>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Robert Mitwicki
> >>> Kontakt:
> >>>     jid: mitfik at jabber.org
> >>>     e-mail: mitfik at gmail.com
> >>> ------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> www.partiapiratow.org.pl
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