[pp.int.general] How PPI should look like - our humble opinion

Thu Apr 22 21:03:32 CEST 2010

Poland is ready to host conference if needed - PPI board was informed

Blazej
PP Piland

2010/4/22 Alex <formless at gmail.com>:
>>on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for national parties untill next conference, though the constituent parties will have the right to recall.
>
> i'm afraid it would be the same country all the time. Sweden or Germany :-)
>
>>Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for example money from parties to fund conference.
>
> ouch.
>
> Swedish party will have to finance everything, because there are a lot
> of parties (around 30!) with 2-10 members. These parties desperately
> need funding, not the other way around.
>
> But, i wouldn't bet on the swedes tho, their party is losing members
> like crazy. thousands a day. makes you think. By the time we finish
> discussing proposals PP-SE will be smaller than DE.
>
>
>
> 2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>:
>> Maybe it is time to discuss our proposals?
>>
>> At least conciser them.
>>
>> kaczor
>>
>> 2010/4/18 Robert Mitwicki <robert.mitwicki at partiapiratow.org.pl>:
>>> The international conference should be the start of creating PPI not
>>> the end ... We all know that we put work with the PPI statue remotely
>>> but You can't decide real principles without   meeting like today.
>>> Until yesterday international meeting were about meeting people talk
>>> to them, exchange knowledge and experience not 11h voting. Principles
>>> were broken, because of that. We need to find solution of this
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> And one more ... never is too late !
>>>
>>> PP Poland
>>>
>>> 2010/4/17 W Tovey <will.tovey at pp-international.net>
>>>> I hope some of the issues raised in this have been sorted out in the
>>>> final version of the statutes as approved earlier this evening or are
>>>> left to the secondary rules/guidelines such as the procedures for the
>>>> general assembly/conference. As I hope was made clear during the
>>>> discussions (and I apologies if it wasn't) the statutes agreed on today
>>>> are more the rough technicalities of how PPI operates, not the grand
>>>> ideals of the Pirate Movement, nor the exact details of the day-to-day
>>>> running of it. I did try to make sure that all concerns raised were
>>>> discussed and, if possible addressed.
>>>>
>>>> I would expect that the first PPI Board voted tomorrow is able to work
>>>> with you (and all other Pirates and Parties) in ensuring PPI operates in
>>>> a way as close as possible to what we would like. Obviously, the best
>>>> way to make sure this happens would be to stand in the election; do this
>>>> by emailing me or the Coreteam with your name and the position(s) for
>>>> which you would like to stand by 8.30 CEST (6.30 GMT). If you are not
>>>> able to attend the conference (either in person or remotely) you might
>>>> also want to include some short comments as to why people should vote
>>>> for you.
>>>>
>>>> The positions available are; Co-chairman, Chief Administrative Officer,
>>>> Treasurer and Board member.
>>>>
>>>> -Will
>>>>
>>>> On 17/04/2010 22:50, Justus Ršoemeth wrote:
>>>>> A bit late, isn't it? I mean there was a chance to work on the
>>>>> statutes online, and/or send a different proposal for statutes for
>>>>> months...
>>>>>
>>>>> And what exactly makes a country being spokesman better than a system
>>>>> that has an elected board not neccessarly from the national
>>>>> spokespersons? I think most pirate parties agree on the last point,
>>>>> but what exactly makes this proposal superior to the one that is being
>>>>> discussed at the conference at the moment? What parts of the one being
>>>>> discussed at the moment makes you feel uneasy as to the last point?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17.04.10 18:01, Błażej Kaczorowski wrote:
>>>>>> What should PPI look like:
>>>>>> - conference at least once a year, delegates (or delegate) would
>>>>>> represent each county
>>>>>> - on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for
>>>>>> national parties untill next conference, though the constituent
>>>>>> parties will have the right to recall.
>>>>>> - once a month delegates (chosen by national parties) meets remotly
>>>>>> (IRC) and discuss interentional cases - amendments and ideas are
>>>>>> presented to boards in every country
>>>>>> - spokemen country can't make any binding decision without contact to
>>>>>> national parties boards (it can also call for immediet IRC gathering
>>>>>> to get proper confirmation)
>>>>>> - working groups will be ellected on confernece to perform maitenece
>>>>>> tasks untill next conference (webpage etc.)
>>>>>> - Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for
>>>>>> example money from parties to fund conference.
>>>>>> - All local parties commit to provide the financial means, within
>>>>>> their capablities and if needed, to make funding of the annual meeting
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>> - We want to see PPI as a united federation of international Pirate
>>>>>> Parties, not a centralised global pirate party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://wiki.partiapiratow.org.pl/index.php?title=Propozycja
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blazej and Robert from Poland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tess and Ella from Sweden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew from UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monika nad Jurgen from Belgum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian from Romania
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>>>
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>>>     e-mail: mitfik at gmail.com
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