[pp.int.general] How PPI should look like - our humble opinion

[Alex]

>on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for national parties untill next conference, though the constituent parties will have the right to recall.

i'm afraid it would be the same country all the time. Sweden or Germany :-)

>Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for example money from parties to fund conference.

ouch.

Swedish party will have to finance everything, because there are a lot
of parties (around 30!) with 2-10 members. These parties desperately
need funding, not the other way around.

But, i wouldn't bet on the swedes tho, their party is losing members
like crazy. thousands a day. makes you think. By the time we finish
discussing proposals PP-SE will be smaller than DE.



2010/4/22 Błażej Kaczorowski <blazej.kaczorowski at gmail.com>:
> Maybe it is time to discuss our proposals?
>
> At least conciser them.
>
> kaczor
>
> 2010/4/18 Robert Mitwicki <robert.mitwicki at partiapiratow.org.pl>:
>> The international conference should be the start of creating PPI not
>> the end ... We all know that we put work with the PPI statue remotely
>> but You can't decide real principles without   meeting like today.
>> Until yesterday international meeting were about meeting people talk
>> to them, exchange knowledge and experience not 11h voting. Principles
>> were broken, because of that. We need to find solution of this
>> problem.
>>
>> And one more ... never is too late !
>>
>> PP Poland
>>
>> 2010/4/17 W Tovey <will.tovey at pp-international.net>
>>> I hope some of the issues raised in this have been sorted out in the
>>> final version of the statutes as approved earlier this evening or are
>>> left to the secondary rules/guidelines such as the procedures for the
>>> general assembly/conference. As I hope was made clear during the
>>> discussions (and I apologies if it wasn't) the statutes agreed on today
>>> are more the rough technicalities of how PPI operates, not the grand
>>> ideals of the Pirate Movement, nor the exact details of the day-to-day
>>> running of it. I did try to make sure that all concerns raised were
>>> discussed and, if possible addressed.
>>>
>>> I would expect that the first PPI Board voted tomorrow is able to work
>>> with you (and all other Pirates and Parties) in ensuring PPI operates in
>>> a way as close as possible to what we would like. Obviously, the best
>>> way to make sure this happens would be to stand in the election; do this
>>> by emailing me or the Coreteam with your name and the position(s) for
>>> which you would like to stand by 8.30 CEST (6.30 GMT). If you are not
>>> able to attend the conference (either in person or remotely) you might
>>> also want to include some short comments as to why people should vote
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> The positions available are; Co-chairman, Chief Administrative Officer,
>>> Treasurer and Board member.
>>>
>>> -Will
>>>
>>> On 17/04/2010 22:50, Justus Ršoemeth wrote:
>>>> A bit late, isn't it? I mean there was a chance to work on the
>>>> statutes online, and/or send a different proposal for statutes for
>>>> months...
>>>>
>>>> And what exactly makes a country being spokesman better than a system
>>>> that has an elected board not neccessarly from the national
>>>> spokespersons? I think most pirate parties agree on the last point,
>>>> but what exactly makes this proposal superior to the one that is being
>>>> discussed at the conference at the moment? What parts of the one being
>>>> discussed at the moment makes you feel uneasy as to the last point?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17.04.10 18:01, Błażej Kaczorowski wrote:
>>>>> What should PPI look like:
>>>>> - conference at least once a year, delegates (or delegate) would
>>>>> represent each county
>>>>> - on each conference we elect country, that will be spokemen for
>>>>> national parties untill next conference, though the constituent
>>>>> parties will have the right to recall.
>>>>> - once a month delegates (chosen by national parties) meets remotly
>>>>> (IRC) and discuss interentional cases - amendments and ideas are
>>>>> presented to boards in every country
>>>>> - spokemen country can't make any binding decision without contact to
>>>>> national parties boards (it can also call for immediet IRC gathering
>>>>> to get proper confirmation)
>>>>> - working groups will be ellected on confernece to perform maitenece
>>>>> tasks untill next conference (webpage etc.)
>>>>> - Funds will be given from member parties on a "need's be" basis, for
>>>>> example money from parties to fund conference.
>>>>> - All local parties commit to provide the financial means, within
>>>>> their capablities and if needed, to make funding of the annual meeting
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> - We want to see PPI as a united federation of international Pirate
>>>>> Parties, not a centralised global pirate party.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.partiapiratow.org.pl/index.php?title=Propozycja
>>>>>
>>>>> Blazej and Robert from Poland
>>>>>
>>>>> Tess and Ella from Sweden
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew from UK
>>>>>
>>>>> Monika nad Jurgen from Belgum
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian from Romania
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>>
>>
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