[pp.int.general] Pirates and election thresholds!
danielrr2 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 23 10:59:22 CEST 2010
In Spain there certainly are thresholds in all elections. Such thresholds are: 3% in the General elections and most Autonomical elections --think of Länder in Germany (in some autonomies like Valencia this threshold goes up to the 5%). For the European Parliament it is the 1%. In municipal elections it is a huge 5%.
In practical terms, such thresholds are ineffective in all cases except the municipal elections. The D'Ont proportional system applied in Spain puts the real threshold at least one point over the legal one. This is another reason why, in my humble and *personal* opinion, a split of the Pirate parties is Spain would do most harm than good to the cause of Pirate.
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El 22/08/2010, a las 13:50, Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at contralaguerra.org> escribió:
> As far as I know, Pirata.cat neither Partido Pirata (pirata-es) has no
> official position concerning thresholds.
> Under our electoral system there's no threshold, however, Ont law is
> applied, so, a party with 1/3 of the votes can easily with the majority
> of the parliament.
> In my personal oppinion, every vote counts, so, if a party has enought
> votes to get a seat, it should get it. We have 8 parties in the Spanish
> parliament and we had 10 in the former election, so, well, I don't think
> that the threshold would really help to turn a country more democratic,
> by ignoring the willing of an important part of its population but the
> Al 22/08/10 10:39, En/na Christian Hufgard ha escrit:
>> Am 22.08.2010 10:03, schrieb Sven Clement:
>>> First of all I want to say that I do not want to start a "flame war" but a civil discussion on a topic I deem very important for some of the Pirate Parties around the world.
>> As far as I can see, in germany there is no clear position. Some pirates
>> believe, that it was the missing threshold that caused the fail of the
>> Weimarer Republik and the raise of Hitler. A lot of school book name the
>> missing threshold as a major cause for the following troubles. Our major
>> court confirmed the threshold also, due to the possible problems in
>> forming a stable gouvernment, if there would be more than just a few
>> parties in the gouvernment.
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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