[pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Amelia Andersdotter]

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=hagamannen+expressen

these are links about the first time expressen breached the swedish national
media consensus on not publishing names and faces of suspected criminals.
this was in 2006 some time before i joined Piratpartiet, and was greatly
debated at the time, with most larger newspapers condemning Expressen's
behaviour. Since then, Expressen has continued this conduct in a number of
cases mostly concerning sexual crimes, and the subsequent commentary of the
unethicalness of these publications have ceased.

/a

On 4 December 2010 19:42, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:

> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels, that
> is good.
>
> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.
>
>
> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to
>> swallow and understand.
>>
>> Jay Emerson
>> Administrative Officer
>> Pirate Party of New York
>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be
>> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them
>> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.
>> >>
>> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I can already help you with that.
>> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen
>> >
>> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of
>> all
>> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two largest
>> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is
>> owned
>> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in
>> Norwegian
>> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour unions).
>> >
>> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter
>> have
>> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and more
>> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do
>> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly
>> held
>> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also
>> helps
>> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of
>> Justice
>> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all
>> > non-Bonnier publications.
>> >
>> > /a
>> >
>> >
>> >> Jay Emerson
>> >> Administrative Officer
>> >> Pirate Party of New York
>> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks
>> founder
>> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has
>> consistenly
>> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not
>> yet
>> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been
>> >> started.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since
>> 2006.
>> >> The
>> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international
>> >> media,
>> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to
>> >> primary
>> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by
>> a,
>> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable
>> and
>> >> an
>> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the legal
>> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad
>> >> publication
>> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.
>> >> >
>> >> > /a
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
>> >> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>> releases,
>> >> so
>> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
>> separate
>> >> PPs
>> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do
>> to
>> >> >>> support wikileaks.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
>> such,
>> >> but
>> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
>> cryptome
>> >> and
>> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an
>> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers
>> in
>> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
>> they do
>> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
>> that
>> >> they
>> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks
>> get
>> >> out
>> >> >> there in the first place.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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