[pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Jay Emerson]

lol words of wisdom, thanks.

Jay Emerson
Administrative Officer
Pirate Party of New York
On Dec 4, 2010 1:42 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels,
that
> is good.
>
> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.
>
> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to
>> swallow and understand.
>>
>> Jay Emerson
>> Administrative Officer
>> Pirate Party of New York
>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be
>> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them
>> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.
>> >>
>> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I can already help you with that.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen
>> >
>> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of
all
>> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two
largest
>> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is
>> owned
>> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in
>> Norwegian
>> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour
unions).
>> >
>> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter
>> have
>> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and
more
>> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do
>> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly
>> held
>> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also
helps
>> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of
>> Justice
>> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all
>> > non-Bonnier publications.
>> >
>> > /a
>> >
>> >
>> >> Jay Emerson
>> >> Administrative Officer
>> >> Pirate Party of New York
>> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks
>> founder
>> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has
>> consistenly
>> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not
>> yet
>> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been
>> >> started.
>> >> >
>> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since
>> 2006.
>> >> The
>> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international
>> >> media,
>> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to
>> >> primary
>> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by
>> a,
>> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable
>> and
>> >> an
>> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the
legal
>> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad
>> >> publication
>> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.
>> >> >
>> >> > /a
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
>> >> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>> releases,
>> >> so
>> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
>> separate
>> >> PPs
>> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs
do
>> to
>> >> >>> support wikileaks.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
such,
>> >> but
>> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
>> cryptome
>> >> and
>> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see
an
>> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers
in
>> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
they
>> do
>> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
>> that
>> >> they
>> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks
get
>> >> out
>> >> >> there in the first place.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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