[pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Erik Lönroth]

I will represent the will of a few persons here in my home town and
publish it as they wanted.

We will put it on our home-page and send it to the evil-media aswell.
We normally get it published.

/Erik

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> lol words of wisdom, thanks.
>
> Jay Emerson
> Administrative Officer
> Pirate Party of New York
>
> On Dec 4, 2010 1:42 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels,
>> that
>> is good.
>>
>> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.
>>
>> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for them to
>>> swallow and understand.
>>>
>>> Jay Emerson
>>> Administrative Officer
>>> Pirate Party of New York
>>> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may be
>>> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on them
>>> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.
>>> >>
>>> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > I can already help you with that.
>>> > http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen
>>> >
>>> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80% of
>>> > all
>>> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two
>>> > largest
>>> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is
>>> owned
>>> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in
>>> Norwegian
>>> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour
>>> > unions).
>>> >
>>> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens nyheter
>>> have
>>> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and
>>> > more
>>> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to do
>>> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are mostly
>>> held
>>> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also
>>> > helps
>>> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of
>>> Justice
>>> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all
>>> > non-Bonnier publications.
>>> >
>>> > /a
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Jay Emerson
>>> >> Administrative Officer
>>> >> Pirate Party of New York
>>> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks
>>> founder
>>> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has
>>> consistenly
>>> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are not
>>> yet
>>> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been
>>> >> started.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct since
>>> 2006.
>>> >> The
>>> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily international
>>> >> media,
>>> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads to
>>> >> primary
>>> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial by
>>> a,
>>> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is despicable
>>> and
>>> >> an
>>> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the
>>> >> > legal
>>> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad
>>> >> publication
>>> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > /a
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
>>> >> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>>> releases,
>>> >> so
>>> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
>>> separate
>>> >> PPs
>>> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs
>>> >> >>> do
>>> to
>>> >> >>> support wikileaks.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
>>> >> >> such,
>>> >> but
>>> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
>>> cryptome
>>> >> and
>>> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see
>>> >> >> an
>>> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers
>>> >> >> in
>>> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
>>> >> >> they
>>> do
>>> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
>>> that
>>> >> they
>>> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks
>>> >> >> get
>>> >> out
>>> >> >> there in the first place.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
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