[pp.int.general] Media stupidity Re: Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Mikko Särelä]

I would not mention Julian Assange or the accusations in the text at all. 
The real issue is that governments around the world are trying to shut 
down an organization that helps whistleblowers publish information. 

Concentrate on that - otherwise we will allow ourselves to be quagmired 
into a fight we cannot win. 

So, concentrate on the freedom of speech. Governments are not trying to 
shut down Wikileaks because Julian Assange has been accused of sexual 
crime. 

A word in general: you will only get so many sentences through in a given 
old media outlet. If the focus of the statement is divided between the 
accusations of sexual crimes and the freedom of speech issue, you can only 
lose. There is nothing to gain there. Nothing. 

-Mikko

On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Amelia Andersdotter wrote:
> If there is any possibility of not sinking to Murdoch/Bonniers levels, that
> is good.
> 
> Never argue with idiots - they will only bring you down to their level.
> 
> On 4 December 2010 19:22, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>       Thanks, comparison to Murdoch's empire will make it easier for
>       them to swallow and understand.
> 
>       Jay Emerson
>       Administrative Officer
>       Pirate Party of New York
> 
> On Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On 4 December 2010 19:02, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Good speech, I'll do research on the media conglomerates that may
> be
> >> influencing such spin at these publications and shine a light on
> them
> >> through the superpowers of blog syndication.
> >>
> >> If you know who owns that publication let me know please :-)
> >>
> >>
> > I can already help you with that.
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressen
> >
> > Expressen is owned by the Bonnier conglomerat which owns about 80%
> of all
> > Swedish media, including Dagens Nyheter and Sydsvenskan, the two
> largest
> > publications after Svenska dagbladet and Aftonbladet one of which is
> owned
> > by Schibstedt (Norwegian conglomerate which holds large stakes in
> Norwegian
> > media I believe) and LO (the union of most public worker labour
> unions).
> >
> > All Bonnier publications are going down. Expressen and Dagens
> nyheter have
> > been going tabloid since several years ago, and Bonnier is more and
> more
> > appearing to imitate the Murdoch empire. I'm not really sure what to
> do
> > about that though - I know that the non-Bonnier publications are
> mostly held
> > afloat by the Swedish media support system (which, to be fair, also
> helps
> > Bonnier) which has recently been condemned by the European Court of
> Justice
> > for distorting the market. Mark my words - when it goes, so do all
> > non-Bonnier publications.
> >
> > /a
> >
> >
> >> Jay Emerson
> >> Administrative Officer
> >> Pirate Party of New York
> >> On Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM, "Amelia Andersdotter" <teirdes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > If something can be said about the current situation of Wikileaks
> founder
> >> > Julian Assange it is that a Swedish newspaper, Expressen, has
> consistenly
> >> > and deliberately published names and pictures of people who are
> not yet
> >> > convicted, and to whom a primary investigation have not even been
> >> started.
> >> >
> >> > This is the third time Expressen has engaged in this conduct
> since 2006.
> >> The
> >> > difference this time is that very few paper, primarily
> international
> >> media,
> >> > has managed to criticize this behaviour which essentially leads
> to
> >> primary
> >> > conviction by the populace and lynchmobs rather than a fair trial
> by a,
> >> > presumably, non-partisan court.
> >> >
> >> > I think that especially in criminal cases this conduct is
> despicable and
> >> an
> >> > unethical exploitation of media and press freedom to bypass the
> legal
> >> > system. I criticize Expressen generally though. They are a bad
> >> publication
> >> > and anyone who supports them should be slightly ashamed.
> >> >
> >> > /a
> >> >
> >> > On 4 December 2010 18:20, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
> >> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
> releases,
> >> so
> >> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
> separate
> >> PPs
> >> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective
> PPs do to
> >> >>> support wikileaks.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
> such,
> >> but
> >> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
> cryptome
> >> and
> >> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to
> see an
> >> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over
> whistleblowers in
> >> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
> they do
> >> >> not get to represent the entire leaking community, and
> especially that
> >> they
> >> >> do not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the
> leaks get
> >> out
> >> >> there in the first place.
> >> >>
> >> >> Amelia Andersdotter
> >> >>
> >> >>
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Mikko Särelä
 "Power that is limited by nothing, by no laws,
  that is restrained by absolutely no rules,
  that rests directly on coercion" -V.I. Lenin on Communism