[pp.int.general] Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Nicolas Sahlqvist]

Forgot the link to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard>- Nicolas


On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange is not
> the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that we don't
> really believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty..
>
> I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the work
> Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We could
> mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you mention, but
> that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media talks
> about is Wikileaks.
>
> There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading leaks on
> the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from
> Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia
> province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia page
> with the following sentences:
>
> "In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when thousands
> demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at demonstrators in
> the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than
> thirty."
>
> "He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from
> contractors by having them arrested at job sites and held until the bribes
> were paid"
>
> And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681
>
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681>I have
> to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes! ;)
>
>
> - Nicolas
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... and would you support something that adds a few words about the
>>> "whistle-blowers" ?
>>>
>>>
>> If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my
>> position as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of the
>> European Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the, eh.
>> Defendant or plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not even gone
>> to court. Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in this
>> case because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.
>>
>> Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation,
>> aren't they?
>>
>> /a
>>
>>
>>> I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.
>>>
>>> /Erik
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate Party in
>>> > Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support
>>> > this text?
>>> >
>>> > http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > /Erik
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
>>> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>>> releases, so
>>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can separate
>>> PPs
>>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do
>>> to
>>> >>> support wikileaks.
>>> >>
>>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as such,
>>> but
>>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks, cryptome
>>> and
>>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an
>>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers in
>>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>>> >>
>>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that they
>>> do not
>>> >> get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially that
>>> they do
>>> >> not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks get out
>>> there
>>> >> in the first place.
>>> >>
>>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>>> >>
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