[pp.int.general] Pirate support for Wikileaks

[Nicolas Sahlqvist]

Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange is not
the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that we don't
really believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty..

I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the work
Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We could
mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you mention, but
that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media talks
about is Wikileaks.

There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading leaks on
the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from
Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia
province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia page
with the following sentences:

"In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when thousands
demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at demonstrators in
the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than
thirty."

"He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from contractors
by having them arrested at job sites and held until the bribes were paid"

And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681>I have
to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes! ;)


- Nicolas


On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ... and would you support something that adds a few words about the
>> "whistle-blowers" ?
>>
>>
> If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my position
> as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of the European
> Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the, eh. Defendant or
> plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not even gone to court.
> Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in this case
> because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.
>
> Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation, aren't
> they?
>
> /a
>
>
>> I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.
>>
>> /Erik
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate Party in
>> > Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support
>> > this text?
>> >
>> > http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs
>> >
>> >
>> > /Erik
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik <
>> Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>> releases, so
>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can separate
>> PPs
>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs do to
>> >>> support wikileaks.
>> >>
>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as such,
>> but
>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks, cryptome
>> and
>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see an
>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over whistleblowers in
>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>> >>
>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that they
>> do not
>> >> get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially that they
>> do
>> >> not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks get out
>> there
>> >> in the first place.
>> >>
>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>> >>
>> >>>
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