[pp.int.general] Pirate support for Wikileaks

Mon Dec 6 10:27:06 CET 2010

Assange Accuser Worked with US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro Group?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/5/195243/598

One of the accusers of Assange is allegedly a hard feminist who
support false accusations of rape to get back at ex-boyfriends.
http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2010/12/04/assanges-chief-accuser-has-her-own-history-with-us-funded-anti-castro-groups-one-of-which-has-cia-ties/

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, I am not trying to spread Anti-Wikileak rubble or anything like
> that. It's just that there's a lot of un-answered questions.
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> Julian Assange is currently wanted by interpol for an alledged sex crime:
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> http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp
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> Could it be a smear campaign by his enemies? Yes it could. If true
> then we're talking about conspiratorial theory here.
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> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM, boboniboni boboniboni
> <boboniboni at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That is why I would say Assange is being very altruistic in this,
>> maybe he is a real human hero. The future will tell.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> We just offered our website (www.nypirates.org) to the cause of Mass
>>> Mirroring Wikileaks.  As an activist, I have to say that the amount of heat
>>> Assange knew he would get for something like this HAS to be altruistic
>>> seeing as you're automatically in fear of your life from essentially every
>>> NATO ally state.  A million dollars but the minute I spend it I could be
>>> capped by the CIA after being tailed?  I call "bullshit" on Aftermath,
>>> respectfully :-)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM, boboniboni boboniboni <boboniboni at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is Assange supposed to live a life based on hard altruism? I think a
>>>> reasonable and quick scientific analysis about human behavior will say
>>>> that every human being runs on mutualistic shared goals (rational
>>>> egoism) with a variable amount of altruism.
>>>>
>>>> I would find it surprising and pathological IF Assange was allegedly
>>>> doing this under a radical notion of metaphysical hard altruism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Wikileaks does what it does for Profit.
>>>> >
>>>> > I say this because julian assange is the only one who has access to
>>>> > the paypal donation account.
>>>> >
>>>> > No one knows how much is donated except for him.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Wikileaks likes transparency for everyone except themselves.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Cryptome is way cooler.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Forgot the link to Wikipedia:
>>>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - Nicolas
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange
>>>> >>> is
>>>> >>> not the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that
>>>> >>> we
>>>> >>> don't really believe in the principle of innocent until proven
>>>> >>> guilty..
>>>> >>> I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the
>>>> >>> work Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We
>>>> >>> could
>>>> >>> mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you
>>>> >>> mention, but
>>>> >>> that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media
>>>> >>> talks
>>>> >>> about is Wikileaks.
>>>> >>> There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading
>>>> >>> leaks on
>>>> >>> the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from
>>>> >>> Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia
>>>> >>> province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia
>>>> >>> page
>>>> >>> with the following sentences:
>>>> >>> "In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when
>>>> >>> thousands
>>>> >>> demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at
>>>> >>> demonstrators in
>>>> >>> the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than
>>>> >>> thirty."
>>>> >>> "He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from
>>>> >>> contractors by having them arrested at job sites and held until the
>>>> >>> bribes
>>>> >>> were paid"
>>>> >>> And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:
>>>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681
>>>> >>> I have to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes!
>>>> >>> ;)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> - Nicolas
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
>>>> >>> <teirdes at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ... and would you support something that adds a few words about the
>>>> >>>>> "whistle-blowers" ?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my
>>>> >>>> position as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>> European Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the,
>>>> >>>> eh.
>>>> >>>> Defendant or plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not
>>>> >>>> even gone
>>>> >>>> to court. Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in
>>>> >>>> this
>>>> >>>> case because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation,
>>>> >>>> aren't they?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> /a
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> /Erik
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth
>>>> >>>>> <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> > Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate
>>>> >>>>> > Party in
>>>> >>>>> > Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support
>>>> >>>>> > this text?
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > /Erik
>>>> >>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
>>>> >>>>> > <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik
>>>> >>>>> >> <Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>
>>>> >>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>>>> >>>>> >>> releases, so
>>>> >>>>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
>>>> >>>>> >>> separate PPs
>>>> >>>>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs
>>>> >>>>> >>> do
>>>> >>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>>>> >>> support wikileaks.
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
>>>> >>>>> >> such,
>>>> >>>>> >> but
>>>> >>>>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
>>>> >>>>> >> cryptome and
>>>> >>>>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see
>>>> >>>>> >> an
>>>> >>>>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over
>>>> >>>>> >> whistleblowers in
>>>> >>>>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
>>>> >>>>> >> they
>>>> >>>>> >> do not
>>>> >>>>> >> get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
>>>> >>>>> >> that
>>>> >>>>> >> they do
>>>> >>>>> >> not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks
>>>> >>>>> >> get
>>>> >>>>> >> out there
>>>> >>>>> >> in the first place.
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>>>> >>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> >>>
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>>> --
>>> Jay Emerson
>>> Administrative Officer
>>> New York Pirate Party
>>>
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>>> again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to use this place, and
>>> no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
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