[pp.int.general] Pirate support for Wikileaks

Mon Dec 6 09:38:22 CET 2010

Also, I am not trying to spread Anti-Wikileak rubble or anything like
that. It's just that there's a lot of un-answered questions.

Julian Assange is currently wanted by interpol for an alledged sex crime:

http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp

Could it be a smear campaign by his enemies? Yes it could. If true
then we're talking about conspiratorial theory here.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 2:45 PM, boboniboni boboniboni
<boboniboni at gmail.com> wrote:
> That is why I would say Assange is being very altruistic in this,
> maybe he is a real human hero. The future will tell.
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> We just offered our website (www.nypirates.org) to the cause of Mass
>> Mirroring Wikileaks.  As an activist, I have to say that the amount of heat
>> Assange knew he would get for something like this HAS to be altruistic
>> seeing as you're automatically in fear of your life from essentially every
>> NATO ally state.  A million dollars but the minute I spend it I could be
>> capped by the CIA after being tailed?  I call "bullshit" on Aftermath,
>> respectfully :-)
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM, boboniboni boboniboni <boboniboni at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is Assange supposed to live a life based on hard altruism? I think a
>>> reasonable and quick scientific analysis about human behavior will say
>>> that every human being runs on mutualistic shared goals (rational
>>> egoism) with a variable amount of altruism.
>>>
>>> I would find it surprising and pathological IF Assange was allegedly
>>> doing this under a radical notion of metaphysical hard altruism.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Wikileaks does what it does for Profit.
>>> >
>>> > I say this because julian assange is the only one who has access to
>>> > the paypal donation account.
>>> >
>>> > No one knows how much is donated except for him.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Wikileaks likes transparency for everyone except themselves.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cryptome is way cooler.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> Forgot the link to Wikipedia:
>>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard
>>> >>
>>> >> - Nicolas
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> not the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that
>>> >>> we
>>> >>> don't really believe in the principle of innocent until proven
>>> >>> guilty..
>>> >>> I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the
>>> >>> work Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We
>>> >>> could
>>> >>> mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you
>>> >>> mention, but
>>> >>> that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media
>>> >>> talks
>>> >>> about is Wikileaks.
>>> >>> There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading
>>> >>> leaks on
>>> >>> the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from
>>> >>> Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia
>>> >>> province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia
>>> >>> page
>>> >>> with the following sentences:
>>> >>> "In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when
>>> >>> thousands
>>> >>> demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at
>>> >>> demonstrators in
>>> >>> the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than
>>> >>> thirty."
>>> >>> "He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from
>>> >>> contractors by having them arrested at job sites and held until the
>>> >>> bribes
>>> >>> were paid"
>>> >>> And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:
>>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681
>>> >>> I have to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes!
>>> >>> ;)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> - Nicolas
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
>>> >>> <teirdes at gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ... and would you support something that adds a few words about the
>>> >>>>> "whistle-blowers" ?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my
>>> >>>> position as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> European Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the,
>>> >>>> eh.
>>> >>>> Defendant or plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not
>>> >>>> even gone
>>> >>>> to court. Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in
>>> >>>> this
>>> >>>> case because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation,
>>> >>>> aren't they?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> /a
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> /Erik
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth
>>> >>>>> <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> > Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate
>>> >>>>> > Party in
>>> >>>>> > Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support
>>> >>>>> > this text?
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > /Erik
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
>>> >>>>> > <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik
>>> >>>>> >> <Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>
>>> >>>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>>> >>>>> >>> releases, so
>>> >>>>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
>>> >>>>> >>> separate PPs
>>> >>>>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs
>>> >>>>> >>> do
>>> >>>>> >>> to
>>> >>>>> >>> support wikileaks.
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
>>> >>>>> >> such,
>>> >>>>> >> but
>>> >>>>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
>>> >>>>> >> cryptome and
>>> >>>>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see
>>> >>>>> >> an
>>> >>>>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over
>>> >>>>> >> whistleblowers in
>>> >>>>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
>>> >>>>> >> they
>>> >>>>> >> do not
>>> >>>>> >> get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
>>> >>>>> >> that
>>> >>>>> >> they do
>>> >>>>> >> not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks
>>> >>>>> >> get
>>> >>>>> >> out there
>>> >>>>> >> in the first place.
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Jay Emerson
>> Administrative Officer
>> New York Pirate Party
>>
>> "My user has information that could...that could make this a free system
>> again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to use this place, and
>> no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
>>
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