[pp.int.general] Pirate support for Wikileaks

Sun Dec 5 23:45:04 CET 2010

That is why I would say Assange is being very altruistic in this,
maybe he is a real human hero. The future will tell.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> We just offered our website (www.nypirates.org) to the cause of Mass
> Mirroring Wikileaks.  As an activist, I have to say that the amount of heat
> Assange knew he would get for something like this HAS to be altruistic
> seeing as you're automatically in fear of your life from essentially every
> NATO ally state.  A million dollars but the minute I spend it I could be
> capped by the CIA after being tailed?  I call "bullshit" on Aftermath,
> respectfully :-)
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM, boboniboni boboniboni <boboniboni at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Is Assange supposed to live a life based on hard altruism? I think a
>> reasonable and quick scientific analysis about human behavior will say
>> that every human being runs on mutualistic shared goals (rational
>> egoism) with a variable amount of altruism.
>>
>> I would find it surprising and pathological IF Assange was allegedly
>> doing this under a radical notion of metaphysical hard altruism.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Wikileaks does what it does for Profit.
>> >
>> > I say this because julian assange is the only one who has access to
>> > the paypal donation account.
>> >
>> > No one knows how much is donated except for him.
>> >
>> >
>> > Wikileaks likes transparency for everyone except themselves.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cryptome is way cooler.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Forgot the link to Wikipedia:
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Khan_Hamdard
>> >>
>> >> - Nicolas
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Mixing the organisation Wikileaks with the assault charge of Assange
>> >>> is
>> >>> not the best of ideas and treating it differently could indicate that
>> >>> we
>> >>> don't really believe in the principle of innocent until proven
>> >>> guilty..
>> >>> I tend to think it is important to make a statement in support for the
>> >>> work Wikileaks does at the moment considering how it is threatened. We
>> >>> could
>> >>> mention other organisations that works on similar goals as you
>> >>> mention, but
>> >>> that part of the message would probably not be noticed when all media
>> >>> talks
>> >>> about is Wikileaks.
>> >>> There are also other ways to support leaks, by actively spreading
>> >>> leaks on
>> >>> the net. I seem to have this new hobby of reading SECRET cables from
>> >>> Wikileaks and the corrupt governor (Juma Khan Hamdard) of the Paktia
>> >>> province in Afghanistan caught my attention so I updated his Wikipedia
>> >>> page
>> >>> with the following sentences:
>> >>> "In May 2007 he was forced to resign as governor of Jowzjan when
>> >>> thousands
>> >>> demonstrated against him. Forces under his command shot at
>> >>> demonstrators in
>> >>> the Uzbek town of Shibirghan, killing thirteen and injuring more than
>> >>> thirty."
>> >>> "He is currently under investigations for soliciting bribes from
>> >>> contractors by having them arrested at job sites and held until the
>> >>> bribes
>> >>> were paid"
>> >>> And referenced to the Guardian quoting the cable from Wikileaks:
>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/241681
>> >>> I have to say that it was a very satisfactory to save those changes!
>> >>> ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> - Nicolas
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
>> >>> <teirdes at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 4 December 2010 19:03, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ... and would you support something that adds a few words about the
>> >>>>> "whistle-blowers" ?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If anything should be supported it's whistle-blowers. And it is my
>> >>>> position as a Swedish Pirate Party member and an incumbent Member of
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> European Parliament not to support a text that blindly supports the,
>> >>>> eh.
>> >>>> Defendant or plaintiff? Defendant I guess, in a case that has not
>> >>>> even gone
>> >>>> to court. Technically, there can't even be defendant or plaintiffs in
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> case because they are only conducting a preliminary investigation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Gosh, people are really sheep when they fall for media manipulation,
>> >>>> aren't they?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> /a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I removed that from my original text. I would not mind adding it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> /Erik
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Erik Lönroth
>> >>>>> <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> > Amelia, is it your position as a representative of the Pirate
>> >>>>> > Party in
>> >>>>> > Sweden and (soon) Member of the European Parliament not to support
>> >>>>> > this text?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > http://openpad.me/m9av1kOVgs
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > /Erik
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
>> >>>>> > <teirdes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> On 4 December 2010 12:17, Mikulas.Ferjencik
>> >>>>> >> <Mikulas.Ferjencik at seznam.cz>
>> >>>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>>
>> >>>>> >>> I would like to note, that PPI is not supposed to issue Press
>> >>>>> >>> releases, so
>> >>>>> >>> it is more appropriate to prepare a press release, which can
>> >>>>> >>> separate PPs
>> >>>>> >>> endorse. It would also be good to include what do respective PPs
>> >>>>> >>> do
>> >>>>> >>> to
>> >>>>> >>> support wikileaks.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> The Swedish Pirate Party and myself do not support Wikileaks as
>> >>>>> >> such,
>> >>>>> >> but
>> >>>>> >> leaking and leaking services in general (including OpenLeaks,
>> >>>>> >> cryptome and
>> >>>>> >> the newly formed Serbian project for leaks). We would like to see
>> >>>>> >> an
>> >>>>> >> inclusive statement that considers the benefit over
>> >>>>> >> whistleblowers in
>> >>>>> >> general, and not a specific service for this purpose.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Wikileaks can certainly be exemplified, but it is important that
>> >>>>> >> they
>> >>>>> >> do not
>> >>>>> >> get to represent the entire leaking community, and especially
>> >>>>> >> that
>> >>>>> >> they do
>> >>>>> >> not overshadow the brave men and women who make sure the leaks
>> >>>>> >> get
>> >>>>> >> out there
>> >>>>> >> in the first place.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >> Amelia Andersdotter
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>>
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