[pp.int.general] Assange arrested

Erik Lönroth erik.lonroth at gmail.com
Wed Dec 8 15:45:07 CET 2010


I think you should take this discussion out from this forum since none
of us really can take a relevant part inte this matter.

/Erik


On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 12/8/2010 4:36 AM, Jay Emerson wrote:
>> lol disagreement is fine and even healthy. However, the vitriolic
>> intensity of hate towards my direction that has gotten personal,
>
> Actually, I think that was a factor in why it was such a majority that
> showed they had No Confidence in your actions or abilities. "someone
> called for a vote of no confidence against me, must be Andrew" "my
> private message was made public and it was a personal attack on Andrew,
> errrr Andrew spoofed my nick to send the message!" There are more in
> this email of yours.
>
>> well
>> that's how Andrew Norton MUST be.  New members buy his story, vote me
>> out, and he gets a THIRD shot at stacking the USPP Officer deck.
>>
>
> That, of course, is one way of putting it. The other is that even the
> other officers wanted you gone, and the final vote was 8 votes of no
> confidence, 2 abstentions, and no-one supporting you. It's kind of funny
> this being in a thread about assange and wikileaks, because if there's
> one thing to take from that subject, it's 'you can lie in public all you
> want, the truth will out eventually'.
>
> I didn't have to say anything (I was actually watching TV during the
> meeting) I let everyone ELSE do the talking, and the logs reflect that.
> (the raw log will be posted here later
> http://memwiki.pirate-party.us/2010-12-07)
>
> I'm sorry you can't accept that people just don't like, or accept your
> actions.
>
>> So when the new officers show up on this email list, please don't take
>> that as representative of how ALL of USPP is.
>>
>> Just Andrew.
>
> Yes, the voodoo mind powers you've already talked about, where I can
> convince EVERYONE else of things. Or, as it's otherwise known,
> 'referencing facts'. Facts, I note, you've never bothered to debate
> themselves, just made out to be a 'personal attack' on you. however,
> when you have members that say "abstain - I don't approve of Jay's
> behavior here tonight, but don;t have enough firsthand knowledge."
> Perhaps one of the telling things was that you couldn't even keep things
> straight.
>
> You said at one point (when it was pointed out that your WL mirror
> violates your state party constitution) that you abandoned it, in a
> public meeting completely unrecorded (aren't we against that sort of
> clandestine, backroom 'no records' policy meetings?). Then, ten minutes
> later, when it's pointed out you need one to be considered a state
> party, you change your mind entirely (saying you voted to allow things,
> despite it needing a constitutional amendment, which, for your
> constitution, means it couldn't be done later than July 7th).
>
> It's THAT which puts people off, as they can't trust you, because you
> flip-flop your positions and statements to whatever you think will get
> you what you want. Even if it's a "yay!" for making statements like
> "calling for the burning down of federal buildings and making sure there
> are people posted at the exits to make sure nobody comes out alive (made
> on facebook)" (taken from the meeting log). Just ask Paul Chambers how
> what seems like a (really f***ing stupid) joke, can be taken and used as
> a battering ram against you
> (http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/press/releases/2010/nov/11/pirate-party-condemns-twitter-joke-trial-judgement/)
> and as an officer, you're supposed to be smart and KNOW this, and be
> working for the party, not to build your personal popularity.
>
> Andrew
>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com
>> <mailto:erik.lonroth at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I'm sure there always will be people who don't agree with you, calling
>>     for your resignation.
>>     As soon as you have an opinion, you can be sure there exists shitloads
>>     of people that believe the opposite.
>>
>>     Thats how it MUST be.
>>
>>     /Erik
>>
>>     On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     > So yeah, with that new revelation i'm going to continue allowing
>>     Wikileaks
>>     > mirror on nypirates.org <http://nypirates.org>.  Even though USPP
>>     believes this is an example of my
>>     > "crazy leftist" attitude and thus I need to be removed as Operations
>>     > Officer.
>>     >
>>     > I'm for the cause, not the politics :-/
>>     >
>>     > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Gareth Nelson
>>     <gareth at garethnelson.com <mailto:gareth at garethnelson.com>>
>>     > wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40556948/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/
>>     >>
>>     >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >> > Ha!  This is true.  Indymedia here is never asked to these events.
>>     >> >
>>     >> > Jay Emerson
>>     >> > Administrative Officer
>>     >> > Pirate Party of New York
>>     >> >
>>     >> > On Dec 7, 2010 9:46 PM, "Ryan Moffitt"
>>     <ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >> >> As Wikileaks stated earlier: "We hope in future, UNESCO celebrates
>>     >> >> press
>>     >> >> freedom somewhere where it exists."
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:05, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>> lol yeah, tyranny has no sense of irony :-/
>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>> Jay Emerson
>>     >> >>> Administrative Officer
>>     >> >>> Pirate Party of New York
>>     >> >>> On Dec 7, 2010 5:03 PM, "Nicolas Sahlqvist"
>>     <nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     >> >>> > US will host world press day 2k11, seriously?
>>     >> >>> >
>>     >> >>> > ROFL! ;)
>>     >> >>> >
>>     >> >>> >
>>     >> >>> > - Nicolas
>>     >> >>> >
>>     >> >>> >
>>     >> >>> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Jay Emerson
>>     <jemers2 at gmail.com <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>>
>>     >> >>> > wrote:
>>     >> >>> >
>>     >> >>> >> Gotta love the U.S. Government....
>>     >> >>> >>
>>     >> >>> >> http://gizmodo.com/5708380/
>>     >> >>> >>
>>     >> >>> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Wesley Schwengle
>>     >> >>> >> <wesley at schwengle.net <mailto:wesley at schwengle.net>
>>     >> >>> >wrote:
>>     >> >>> >>
>>     >> >>> >>>
>>     >> >>> >>> Most of you have seen it probably via twitter, but still..
>>     >> >>> >>>
>>     >> >>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110
>>     >> >>> >>>
>>     >> >>> >>>
>>     >> >>> >>> --
>>     >> >>> >>> Wesley Schwengle
>>     >> >>> >>> E: wesley at schwengle.net <mailto:wesley at schwengle.net> T:
>>     +31 6 26242807
>>     >> >>> >>>
>>     >> >>> >>>
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>>     >> >>> >>>
>>     >> >>> >>
>>     >> >>> >>
>>     >> >>> >> --
>>     >> >>> >> Jay Emerson
>>     >> >>> >> Administrative Officer
>>     >> >>> >> New York Pirate Party
>>     >> >>> >>
>>     >> >>> >> "My user has information that could...that could make this
>>     a free
>>     >> >>> >> system
>>     >> >>> >> again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to
>>     use this
>>     >> >>> >> place,
>>     >> >>> and
>>     >> >>> >> no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
>>     >> >>> >>
>>     >> >>> >>
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>>     >> >>>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >>
>>     >> >> --
>>     >> >> Ryan Moffitt
>>     >> >> ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com>
>>     >> >
>>     >> > ____________________________________________________
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>>     <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>     >> >
>>     http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>     >> >
>>     >> >
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> --
>>     >> “Lanie, I’m going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for
>>     >> everyone. That’s worth going to jail for. That’s worth anything.” -
>>     >> Printcrime by Cory Doctrow
>>     >>
>>     >> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>>     >> See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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>>     >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     > Jay Emerson
>>     > Administrative Officer
>>     > New York Pirate Party
>>     >
>>     > "My user has information that could...that could make this a free
>>     system
>>     > again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to use this
>>     place, and
>>     > no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > ____________________________________________________
>>     > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>     > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>     <mailto:pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>     > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>     >
>>     >
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jay Emerson
>> Administrative Officer
>> New York Pirate Party
>>
>> "My user has information that could...that could make this a free system
>> again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to use this place,
>> and no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
>>
>>
>>
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>
> - --
> Andrew Norton
> http://ktetch.blogspot.com
> Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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