[pp.int.general] Assange arrested
Erik Lönroth
erik.lonroth at gmail.com
Wed Dec 8 15:45:07 CET 2010
I think you should take this discussion out from this forum since none
of us really can take a relevant part inte this matter.
/Erik
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 12/8/2010 4:36 AM, Jay Emerson wrote:
>> lol disagreement is fine and even healthy. However, the vitriolic
>> intensity of hate towards my direction that has gotten personal,
>
> Actually, I think that was a factor in why it was such a majority that
> showed they had No Confidence in your actions or abilities. "someone
> called for a vote of no confidence against me, must be Andrew" "my
> private message was made public and it was a personal attack on Andrew,
> errrr Andrew spoofed my nick to send the message!" There are more in
> this email of yours.
>
>> well
>> that's how Andrew Norton MUST be. New members buy his story, vote me
>> out, and he gets a THIRD shot at stacking the USPP Officer deck.
>>
>
> That, of course, is one way of putting it. The other is that even the
> other officers wanted you gone, and the final vote was 8 votes of no
> confidence, 2 abstentions, and no-one supporting you. It's kind of funny
> this being in a thread about assange and wikileaks, because if there's
> one thing to take from that subject, it's 'you can lie in public all you
> want, the truth will out eventually'.
>
> I didn't have to say anything (I was actually watching TV during the
> meeting) I let everyone ELSE do the talking, and the logs reflect that.
> (the raw log will be posted here later
> http://memwiki.pirate-party.us/2010-12-07)
>
> I'm sorry you can't accept that people just don't like, or accept your
> actions.
>
>> So when the new officers show up on this email list, please don't take
>> that as representative of how ALL of USPP is.
>>
>> Just Andrew.
>
> Yes, the voodoo mind powers you've already talked about, where I can
> convince EVERYONE else of things. Or, as it's otherwise known,
> 'referencing facts'. Facts, I note, you've never bothered to debate
> themselves, just made out to be a 'personal attack' on you. however,
> when you have members that say "abstain - I don't approve of Jay's
> behavior here tonight, but don;t have enough firsthand knowledge."
> Perhaps one of the telling things was that you couldn't even keep things
> straight.
>
> You said at one point (when it was pointed out that your WL mirror
> violates your state party constitution) that you abandoned it, in a
> public meeting completely unrecorded (aren't we against that sort of
> clandestine, backroom 'no records' policy meetings?). Then, ten minutes
> later, when it's pointed out you need one to be considered a state
> party, you change your mind entirely (saying you voted to allow things,
> despite it needing a constitutional amendment, which, for your
> constitution, means it couldn't be done later than July 7th).
>
> It's THAT which puts people off, as they can't trust you, because you
> flip-flop your positions and statements to whatever you think will get
> you what you want. Even if it's a "yay!" for making statements like
> "calling for the burning down of federal buildings and making sure there
> are people posted at the exits to make sure nobody comes out alive (made
> on facebook)" (taken from the meeting log). Just ask Paul Chambers how
> what seems like a (really f***ing stupid) joke, can be taken and used as
> a battering ram against you
> (http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/press/releases/2010/nov/11/pirate-party-condemns-twitter-joke-trial-judgement/)
> and as an officer, you're supposed to be smart and KNOW this, and be
> working for the party, not to build your personal popularity.
>
> Andrew
>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Erik Lönroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com
>> <mailto:erik.lonroth at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure there always will be people who don't agree with you, calling
>> for your resignation.
>> As soon as you have an opinion, you can be sure there exists shitloads
>> of people that believe the opposite.
>>
>> Thats how it MUST be.
>>
>> /Erik
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > So yeah, with that new revelation i'm going to continue allowing
>> Wikileaks
>> > mirror on nypirates.org <http://nypirates.org>. Even though USPP
>> believes this is an example of my
>> > "crazy leftist" attitude and thus I need to be removed as Operations
>> > Officer.
>> >
>> > I'm for the cause, not the politics :-/
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Gareth Nelson
>> <gareth at garethnelson.com <mailto:gareth at garethnelson.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40556948/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> > Ha! This is true. Indymedia here is never asked to these events.
>> >> >
>> >> > Jay Emerson
>> >> > Administrative Officer
>> >> > Pirate Party of New York
>> >> >
>> >> > On Dec 7, 2010 9:46 PM, "Ryan Moffitt"
>> <ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >> As Wikileaks stated earlier: "We hope in future, UNESCO celebrates
>> >> >> press
>> >> >> freedom somewhere where it exists."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:05, Jay Emerson <jemers2 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> lol yeah, tyranny has no sense of irony :-/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jay Emerson
>> >> >>> Administrative Officer
>> >> >>> Pirate Party of New York
>> >> >>> On Dec 7, 2010 5:03 PM, "Nicolas Sahlqvist"
>> <nicco77 at gmail.com <mailto:nicco77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > US will host world press day 2k11, seriously?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > ROFL! ;)
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > - Nicolas
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Jay Emerson
>> <jemers2 at gmail.com <mailto:jemers2 at gmail.com>>
>> >> >>> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> Gotta love the U.S. Government....
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> http://gizmodo.com/5708380/
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Wesley Schwengle
>> >> >>> >> <wesley at schwengle.net <mailto:wesley at schwengle.net>
>> >> >>> >wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> Most of you have seen it probably via twitter, but still..
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> --
>> >> >>> >>> Wesley Schwengle
>> >> >>> >>> E: wesley at schwengle.net <mailto:wesley at schwengle.net> T:
>> +31 6 26242807
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>
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>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> --
>> >> >>> >> Jay Emerson
>> >> >>> >> Administrative Officer
>> >> >>> >> New York Pirate Party
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> "My user has information that could...that could make this
>> a free
>> >> >>> >> system
>> >> >>> >> again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to
>> use this
>> >> >>> >> place,
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> >> no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Ryan Moffitt
>> >> >> ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com>
>> >> >
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>> >> everyone. That’s worth going to jail for. That’s worth anything.” -
>> >> Printcrime by Cory Doctrow
>> >>
>> >> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>> >> See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jay Emerson
>> > Administrative Officer
>> > New York Pirate Party
>> >
>> > "My user has information that could...that could make this a free
>> system
>> > again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to use this
>> place, and
>> > no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jay Emerson
>> Administrative Officer
>> New York Pirate Party
>>
>> "My user has information that could...that could make this a free system
>> again! No, really! You'd have programs lined up just to use this place,
>> and no MCP looking over your shoulder." - Tron
>>
>>
>>
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>
> - --
> Andrew Norton
> http://ktetch.blogspot.com
> Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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