[pp.int.general] privacy at customs on airports

Thu Jan 7 22:28:46 CET 2010

We arent getting into conspiracy discussions now are we? Well ok since
we are. The "underwear bomber"'s dad called security groups over a
week beforehand saying that his son had been radicalised by a group
associated with AQ. Despite this he was not placed on the no fly list
even though farting on a plane seems to be enough of an excuse for
them to add someones name to the list.

In 2008, the ACLU estimated the US ‘No Fly List‘ to have grown to over
1,000,000 names — heck, even Cat Stevens and the late Senator Ted
Kennedy were on it — and it continues to expand. But, suspected
terrorist Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, who was curiously able to obtain
military-grade high explosives –80 grams of PETN (Gee, where’d he get
that?) — managed to escape airport security and detonate his underwear
bomb!

In April 2009, American authorities reportedly refused an Air France
flight from Paris to Mexico entry into US airspace because a left-wing
journalist writing a book on the CIA was on board. Hernando Calvo
Ospina, who works for Le Monde Diplomatique and has written on
revolutionary movements in Cuba and Colombia, figured on the US
authorities’ ‘no-fly list.’ Air France said the April 18 flight was
forced to divert to the French Caribbean island of Martinique before
continuing its journey
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5217186/US-authorites-divert-Air-France-flight-carrying-no-fly-journalist-to-Mexico.html

Seems a bit strange that writing negative books on the CIA gets planes
diverted but warnings of potential bombings and everyone throws a
party.

Now if that isnt strange enough there are even eye witness reports
such as this one:
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html

Also quite strange that a cameraman was filming the entire flight and
had the  presence of mind not only to step in and subdue a "mad
bomber" but also check him for further explosives.

Not only that but how can we be sure it was actually AQ behind this
"attack": http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/08/researchers-ana/

Do I win the conspiracy discussion?

The main problems behind the scanners btw are simple. The pedophilia
angle is a very strong reason not to use them or at least have people
under the legal age exempt from using them. Also the fact that they
use x-rays which can be potentially harmful to people especially with
repeated exposure and especially in young people or worse still
pregnant women.

2010/1/7 Jasper Mokkink <japser10 at gmail.com>:
> I'm living in the Netherlands. The whole situation is just another excuse to
> get those nude scanners there. That attacker was a dubble spoin that's the
> reason there wasn't checked if he had anything with him. He was a agent and
> had some critical information about the Al-Qaida, but that was because he
> was a Al-Qaida fighter! It's just another excuse to.....
>
>
> Jasper Mokkink, PPNL.
>
> 2010/1/6 Stephane Bakhos <nuitari at pirateparty.ca>
>>
>> This kind of news seems to happen all to often, and that's only the cases
>> we get to know about.
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Nicolas Sahlqvist wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:14:20 +0100
>>> From: Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>>    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>>    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] privacy at customs on airports
>>>
>>> As stated from some forums you basically need a minor explosion to set of
>>> the explosives in question, but they would cause a plane to go down it
>>> seems. It is therefore a very irresponsible move from the Slovakian
>>> government, it shows a complete disrespect for their citizens..
>>>
>>>
>>> - Nicolas
>>>  PPI / PPSE member
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Thomas Burke
>>> <mrthomasjburke at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a very shocking and disturbing development. I dont know how
>>>> volatile the explosives given to the last person were or what level of
>>>> explosion would have occurred. Such things are a bit too worrying to
>>>> think about. If they had gone off would we have received the same
>>>> halfhearted "oh did we do a bad thing?" response?
>>>>
>>>> 2010/1/6 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is outrageous! How can a countries police force put there own
>>>>
>>>> citizens
>>>>>
>>>>> unwillingly into harms way? I found more articles on the story:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/probe-continues-into-slovak-explosives-incident-440883.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/slovakia-apologises-for-explosives-find-440834.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://government.zdnet.com/?p=6728
>>>>> The Slovak government has to do a lot more then apologise and express
>>>>> "profound regret" over the incident. I am very interested in how this
>>>>> unfolds why I CC'd the Slovak PP for any feedback they may have on this
>>>>> story.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Nicolas
>>>>>  PPI / PPSE member
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Eduardo Robles Elvira
>>>>> <edulix at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a related note, yesterday I went to sleep just after reading the
>>>>>> following shocking piece of news:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/05/2319256/Slovak-Police-Planted-Explosives-On-Air-Travelers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Slovakian Police have planted explosives on 8 unsuspecting air
>>>>>> travelers. Seven were stopped by airport security, including one man
>>>>>> arrested and held upon arriving at a Dublin airport. Unbelievably, one
>>>>>> innocent traveler made it home with 90 grams of explosives, and had
>>>>>> his flat surrounded by the police and bomb squad."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean, how can they do such a thing with a straight face? They could
>>>>>> have died. A coat was enough for Jean Charles de Menezes to be shot
>>>>>> seven times in the head. And yet the reports into the shooting of an
>>>>>> innocent men found no members of the police guilty and security
>>>>>> measures in the UK have continued to become more invasive. These
>>>>>> people on the other hand were carrying explosives in an airport!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Testing of security systems? It sounds more like state terrorism to
>>>>>> me. If the goverment want to do a test of airport security systems
>>>>>> then fine but use someone who has agreed to do it. I hope those in
>>>>>> charge of this operation go to jail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>   Eduardo Robles Elvira (member of PIRATA, Spain)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PD: Any Pirate Party in Slovenia?
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