[pp.int.general] privacy at customs on airports

Thu Jan 7 23:14:21 CET 2010

It's obviously a plot by Boeing to stop the A380 from becoming successful.
The new security makes it infeasible to board such a large plane.
Charly

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Thomas Burke <mrthomasjburke at gmail.com>wrote:

> We arent getting into conspiracy discussions now are we? Well ok since
> we are. The "underwear bomber"'s dad called security groups over a
> week beforehand saying that his son had been radicalised by a group
> associated with AQ. Despite this he was not placed on the no fly list
> even though farting on a plane seems to be enough of an excuse for
> them to add someones name to the list.
>
> In 2008, the ACLU estimated the US ‘No Fly List‘ to have grown to over
> 1,000,000 names — heck, even Cat Stevens and the late Senator Ted
> Kennedy were on it — and it continues to expand. But, suspected
> terrorist Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, who was curiously able to obtain
> military-grade high explosives –80 grams of PETN (Gee, where’d he get
> that?) — managed to escape airport security and detonate his underwear
> bomb!
>
> In April 2009, American authorities reportedly refused an Air France
> flight from Paris to Mexico entry into US airspace because a left-wing
> journalist writing a book on the CIA was on board. Hernando Calvo
> Ospina, who works for Le Monde Diplomatique and has written on
> revolutionary movements in Cuba and Colombia, figured on the US
> authorities’ ‘no-fly list.’ Air France said the April 18 flight was
> forced to divert to the French Caribbean island of Martinique before
> continuing its journey
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5217186/US-authorites-divert-Air-France-flight-carrying-no-fly-journalist-to-Mexico.html
>
> Seems a bit strange that writing negative books on the CIA gets planes
> diverted but warnings of potential bombings and everyone throws a
> party.
>
> Now if that isnt strange enough there are even eye witness reports
> such as this one:
>
> http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html
>
> Also quite strange that a cameraman was filming the entire flight and
> had the  presence of mind not only to step in and subdue a "mad
> bomber" but also check him for further explosives.
>
> Not only that but how can we be sure it was actually AQ behind this
> "attack": http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/08/researchers-ana/
>
> Do I win the conspiracy discussion?
>
> The main problems behind the scanners btw are simple. The pedophilia
> angle is a very strong reason not to use them or at least have people
> under the legal age exempt from using them. Also the fact that they
> use x-rays which can be potentially harmful to people especially with
> repeated exposure and especially in young people or worse still
> pregnant women.
>
> 2010/1/7 Jasper Mokkink <japser10 at gmail.com>:
> > I'm living in the Netherlands. The whole situation is just another excuse
> to
> > get those nude scanners there. That attacker was a dubble spoin that's
> the
> > reason there wasn't checked if he had anything with him. He was a agent
> and
> > had some critical information about the Al-Qaida, but that was because he
> > was a Al-Qaida fighter! It's just another excuse to.....
> >
> >
> > Jasper Mokkink, PPNL.
> >
> > 2010/1/6 Stephane Bakhos <nuitari at pirateparty.ca>
> >>
> >> This kind of news seems to happen all to often, and that's only the
> cases
> >> we get to know about.
> >>
> >> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Nicolas Sahlqvist wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:14:20 +0100
> >>> From: Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> >>>    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> >>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> >>>    <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] privacy at customs on airports
> >>>
> >>> As stated from some forums you basically need a minor explosion to set
> of
> >>> the explosives in question, but they would cause a plane to go down it
> >>> seems. It is therefore a very irresponsible move from the Slovakian
> >>> government, it shows a complete disrespect for their citizens..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Nicolas
> >>>  PPI / PPSE member
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Thomas Burke
> >>> <mrthomasjburke at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It is a very shocking and disturbing development. I dont know how
> >>>> volatile the explosives given to the last person were or what level of
> >>>> explosion would have occurred. Such things are a bit too worrying to
> >>>> think about. If they had gone off would we have received the same
> >>>> halfhearted "oh did we do a bad thing?" response?
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/1/6 Nicolas Sahlqvist <nicco77 at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is outrageous! How can a countries police force put there own
> >>>>
> >>>> citizens
> >>>>>
> >>>>> unwillingly into harms way? I found more articles on the story:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/probe-continues-into-slovak-explosives-incident-440883.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/slovakia-apologises-for-explosives-find-440834.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://government.zdnet.com/?p=6728
> >>>>> The Slovak government has to do a lot more then apologise and express
> >>>>> "profound regret" over the incident. I am very interested in how this
> >>>>> unfolds why I CC'd the Slovak PP for any feedback they may have on
> this
> >>>>> story.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Nicolas
> >>>>>  PPI / PPSE member
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Eduardo Robles Elvira
> >>>>> <edulix at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On a related note, yesterday I went to sleep just after reading the
> >>>>>> following shocking piece of news:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/05/2319256/Slovak-Police-Planted-Explosives-On-Air-Travelers
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Slovakian Police have planted explosives on 8 unsuspecting air
> >>>>>> travelers. Seven were stopped by airport security, including one man
> >>>>>> arrested and held upon arriving at a Dublin airport. Unbelievably,
> one
> >>>>>> innocent traveler made it home with 90 grams of explosives, and had
> >>>>>> his flat surrounded by the police and bomb squad."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I mean, how can they do such a thing with a straight face? They
> could
> >>>>>> have died. A coat was enough for Jean Charles de Menezes to be shot
> >>>>>> seven times in the head. And yet the reports into the shooting of an
> >>>>>> innocent men found no members of the police guilty and security
> >>>>>> measures in the UK have continued to become more invasive. These
> >>>>>> people on the other hand were carrying explosives in an airport!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Testing of security systems? It sounds more like state terrorism to
> >>>>>> me. If the goverment want to do a test of airport security systems
> >>>>>> then fine but use someone who has agreed to do it. I hope those in
> >>>>>> charge of this operation go to jail.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>   Eduardo Robles Elvira (member of PIRATA, Spain)
> >>>>>>
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