[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

Sat Nov 20 20:27:04 CET 2010

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On 11/20/2010 2:10 PM, Choms wrote:
> LOL, ok, I think this was a list of a political party, but I say no, and if u can insult, me too.
> 
> Sir, I think you are a Great idiot.
> 
And you're free to think that. You're not the first on this list to say
it, and you won't be the last. Mostly, the ones that have said it in the
past, aren't around any more, and yet, 4 years on, I'm still here.

> Well, if you can read http://piratepad.net/LE3F6FmYBO, you'll see it's not a bunch of idiots who want DDoS things. That, at my point of view, is a great project. Why you needed to shout shit to anonops for asking they stoping? there's ways to say things, and no only spreading shit over your friends...
> 
Yes I know, a little under two weeks ago, I did an interview with some
journos over there, with some of the O:P people. Was a few hours after
they did this interview with TF -
http://torrentfreak.com/behind-the-scenes-at-anonymous-operation-payback-111015/

Where do you think the idea for the letter came from?

> I don't wanna write more, so simply I'll say: Anonops is writing a open letter for PPi.
> 

What i've read of it so far, isn't really saying much, just that they
don't like being called names. If the shoe fits, however...

It really seems like O:P just can't take any kind of criticism, or that
they just don't understand WHY what they're doing is not helping. BTW,
as I explained the the first response, PPi had nothing to do with it
(and the USPP isn't even a member). Then again, I saw O:P target AiPlex,
for DDoSing (they hadn't, yet) and then target the MPAA for hiring them
(they never did, BOLLYwood companies were hiring them, not HOLLYwood).
O:P has been a Charley-Foxtrot of wrong facts throughout.

> 
> El 20/11/2010, a las 19:52, Andrew Norton escribió:
> 
> On 11/20/2010 1:05 PM, Choms wrote:
>>>> Ok, as I see, you are playing at two bands, you are part of Payback, maybe you hare gaging because some guy of payback kicked you from IRC.
> 
> Nope, I was there when invited, by some journalists; Pandasecurity. my
> nick then was the same as on the start of my email, K`Tetch.
>>>>
>>>> Stop playing two bands and tell in public your Payback nick...
> 
> I didn't have one, because I didn't take part in it. It's not like it
> was 'payback' for anything anyway. DDoS' are the net equivilent of
> trying to get at your neighbour by playing your music too loud. 'ooh,
> nasty'. And as soon as the music stops,
> 
>>>>
>>>> Also, you think I'm afraid that you say my name in public? It's that a kind of threat?
> 
> No, just an observation, you didn't say who you were, or what Pirate
> Party you represent.
> 
>>>>
>>>> On this moment I ask you for your resignation on USPP, and a public retract of all things you have been said. This is unacceptable, that you insult people on that way.
>>>>
> It's only an insult if it's not true. If you're a USPP member, the
> method for having me removed is in the party constitution. I should
> point out though that this letter was approved by the board of the
> party. It wasn't just me. We all feel the same about these stupid kids,
> and their idiotic actions. I also have had a policy that I don't say
> anything I don't mean. I always stand 100% behind everything I say, else
> I wouldn't say it. It's called 'integrity'.
> 
> 
>>>> Also, I'm not talking about DDoS attacks, if you don't know, people on anonops decided to stop DDoS attacks before your letter, that seems to be written by MPAA. That letter only shows payback as criminals (when they aren't) and, because that letter, now people are thinking on continue attacking... you have fucked up lot of hard work, and a great project.
>>>>
> 
> Erm, they are. A DDoS is classified under the US legal system as a
> Federal Felony attack on computer systems (National Information
> Infrastructure Protection Act of 1996). You might remember the FBI have
> been investigated O:P for the last few weeks.
> 
> http://www.slyck.com/story2121_FBI_Launches_Probe_Into_Operation_Payback_Attacks
> 
> And hard work, and a great project? It's not hard to load up a DDOS
> script, and enter an IP address. And the only people thinking the
> project is great, are those that want to use it to justify more,
> stronger laws and restrictions. It has helped NO-ONE, it has negatively
> affected EVERYONE in the long term.
> 
> You really have no clue of the realities of what's going on. the MPAA
> (and the RIAA lawyers running the US DoJ) are almost certainly hoping
> you'll carry on. You're a nice public example of why we need 'more laws'
> and 'ways to take down sites quick' to 'deal with these threats'. Yet
> they, like EVERYONE ELSE know that a DDoS is a nuisance, it's not a
> threat, it's just laughable. Remember, these are the same people that
> took an underwear bomb that wouldn't have blown up, and used it to
> justify hellishly invasive bodyscanners and borderline sexual assault.
> 
> If you think the Pirate Party is a joke, then go piss off and join the
> 'standing at the back, dressed stupidly and looking stupid party'
> (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2212041448) - because that's more
> your thing. In the US, we, as a party, are serious about trying to get
> things changed, in a system that's almost impossible to get change to
> happen, and possibly one of the least democratic in the western world.
> The only party around with a harder time, that I'm aware of, is Tunisia.
> What you've not seen from us in recent times, is dealing with all the
> administrative stuff that's required.
> 
> 
> 
>>>> Have a nice day.
> 
> I always do, as my conscience is clear.
> 
> Andrew Norton
> 
> 
>>>>
>>>> El 20/11/2010, a las 18:48, Andrew Norton escribió:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2010 12:04 PM, Choms wrote:
>>>>>>> Make a favor to the world and STFU, wait for my real reply, and STOP
>>>>>>> calling "scriptkiddies", "morons" and "inmatures" to people who  in 2
>>>>>>> months have made more than all your party in... how many years? really
>>>>>>> don't know.
>>>>
>>>> Made more what? Trouble for all of us?
>>>> Excuses to pass laws we're all against?
>>>> destroy any kind of public sympathy for our cause?
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WAIT for my real reply, also, you seems to be *rule 1&2* looking at your
>>>>>>> language (moron, moralfag, scriptkiddie)
>>>>
>>>> Here's the facts, Sergio Gonzalez.
>>>> They committed Crimes.
>>>> They have done NOTHING POSITIVE, except by accident (the ACS leak was a
>>>> mistake by their IT guy, in part caused by the DDOS, yut had the IT guy
>>>> done nothing, nothing would have happened)
>>>> They have hurt our cause
>>>> ANY actions they have done, are fleetingly ephemeral. Great, they took a
>>>> website offline for a few hours. Oh dear, what a calamity.
>>>>
>>>> They have inconvenienced their targets, slightly. They have ACTIVELY
>>>> hurt the actions and activities of the parties, through their stupid,
>>>> ill-considered actions, committed in a fit of pique, or because it's 'fun'.
>>>>
>>>> They have no real desire to actually DO anything. It's' simple to load a
>>>> little program, enter in an IP address and hit a button. Big deal. It's
>>>> a LOT harder to come out from behind the hiding, and work openly,
>>>> legitimately, and effectively.
>>>>
>>>> They're cowards, incapable of doing anything effective, or worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, they've proved my point of being childish kids with temper tantrums.
>>>> " Channel Topic: Open letter to us from Pirate Parties:
>>>> http://3.ly/torrfrk (also, Andrew Norton (72.152.11.213) said we are
>>>> "scriptkiddies, morons and inmature") | Let's decide what to do, attact
>>>> USPP?"
>>>>
>>>> That WAS my ip address, it's now changed :-)
>>>>
>>>> foolish kids. I'm not afraid of a bunch of online wannabe gangsters -
>>>> hell the ones who were in my neighborhood growing up didn't bother me,
>>>> and they could actually do something to me, and their scriptkiddie
>>>> threats (what else do you call what they've done? "load up your LOIC and
>>>> target xxx" sounds a HELL of a lot like 'run their script set at..." aka
>>>> SCRIPTKIDDIES
>>>>
>>>> Pathetic really.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Norton
>>>> Not afraid and hiding behind proxys, pseudonyms or anything else (unlike
>>>> a lot of scriptkiddies) because they are nothing to be afraid of. Just
>>>> like none of their targets are afraid of them, but gladly using them as
>>>> an excuse to pass legislation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 20/11/2010, a las 17:56, Andrew Norton escribió:
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>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2010 11:50 AM, Choms wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well, I really don't want to reply... I'm waiting the response of some
>>>>>>>>> people... but I really don't like the response of Andrew Norton...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is your choice, but the choice is simple,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can either run around like a moron, doing DDOS attacks and help push
>>>>>>>> through censorship legislation, or you can ask them to stop, and try and
>>>>>>>> work on something productive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the choice between acting like a moronic kid throwing a tantrum, or
>>>>>>>> acting like a grown up. It's THAT simple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, most o:p won't support the pirate parties regardless - it requires
>>>>>>>> them to be too responsible, and grown up. The immature can't handle
>>>>>>>> being held responsible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________
>>>>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>>>>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>>>>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>>>
>>>>
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