[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

[Rodrigo dA]

O:P failed anyway, if they listen to the letter (even a few) your image will 
recover, politicians will know they can work with you and hopefully you can get 
laws changed by legal means.
If that fails i think there will be more attacks (even though ddos doesn't really hurt them) 
and we'll have this discussion again.

-rodrigo

> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:12:03 -0500
> From: ktetch at gmail.com
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback
> 
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> On 11/20/2010 3:59 PM, Rodrigo dA wrote:
> > I personally don't agree, civil disobedience is perfectly reasonable when
> > those in powers have their own agenda and don't pay attention.
> 
> Right, and it may be acceptable in many countries. In the US, however,
> it just gets our party status stripped. That's why it's a no-go.
> 
> > We should focus on changing those laws and let anon alone, it's not like
> > they are going to say Ok and stop the attacks anyway xD
> 
> Actually, many did. It seems to be a hard-core 'few' that won't put down
> their 'LOIC' script and do something productive, rather than
> counterproductive.
> 
> See, here's what I've been hearing. I have some contacts who have
> contacts in Senators offices. One of the reasons for COICA passing the
> Judiciary Committee so easily, is because of O:P. I *THEN* heard from
> some other sources, that O:P was so 'upset' about it, that they were
> thinking about targeting either the whole senate site (www.senate.gov)
> or just the committee site (judiciary.senate.gov). Apparantly, that
> didn't happen, but it isn't exactly out of character for them - they
> have attacked government websites as part of their campaign.
> 
> They are not harmless kids, protesting. They're doing a stupid thing
> which is hurting all of us, giving the ideas behind our movement a
> negative connotation. Does anyone HONESTLY think this 'civil
> disobedience' is viewed as something other than a temper-tantrum by
> 'those in power' and then used as an excuse to push through laws?
> Hell, does anyone actually think O:P did anything positive at all? The
> best you can say is that they pushed the timetable up a little on the
> SRA investigations of ACS:law and Davenport Lyons, and got the
> (completely toothless) UK information Commissioner's office involved.
> 
> The ONLY long lasting result from Operation:payback, and indeed any
> other such action, is an increased crackdown, and a negative public
> opinion. The question is, if they really are so passionate for the goals
> they claim, why they're doing everything they can to work against it?
> 
> Andrew
> 
> > 
> > -rodrigo
> >> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 15:38:35 -0500
> >> From: ktetch at gmail.com
> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback
> >>
> > On 11/20/2010 3:13 PM, Partidul Piratilor wrote:
> >> First: We protest against the subject line: it was PP US and PP UK who
> >> wrote the letter.
> > 
> > Choms is quite clearly an O:P member. As the rest of his email's have
> > shown, he's not really one for facts.
> > 
> > 
> >> Second: Romanian PP does not endorse the way things were said in the
> >> letter. The Operation was already fading and the new dispute only serves
> >> the interests of MPAA and the likes.
> > 
> > Well, yes. We did write the letter fairly and without mass accusation.
> > The way certain members of it have responded does give the sense of an
> > agent provocateur involved with O:P. While the new 'dispute' may play to
> > the MPAA and their ilk, it currently has not done so to anything like
> > the degree the original O:P did.
> > 
> >> It's interesting to see if any link exists between the FBI investigation
> >> and the fact that some pirates got suddenly on the side of the law?
> > 
> > We in the US have always been on the side of the law. Now, wanting some
> > laws changed, that's different from breaking those laws. That way
> > anarchy lies, and anarchy serves no-one.
> > 
> >>It's
> >> interesting to see how there are laws you respect (computer crime) and
> >> laws you don't (copyright). Any criteria on choosing them?
> > 
> > Actually, we respect *ALL* laws (it's a requirement for a political
> > party in the US, if it isn't in Romania, great, you're operating in a
> > much nicer, easier system than we are. The likes of Sanziana Buruiana
> > wouldn't even get started here, except in maybe one or two states that
> > have sane ballot access laws). There are some laws we want changed
> > though. However, the computer crimes one isn't one of them, as it's
> > written pretty fairly, and does deal with a problem.
> > 
> > 
> >> PS: Please do not bother to respond. Although it contains question marks
> >> it's only a statement.
> > 
> >> Cristian
> >> Romanian PP spokesperson
> > 
> > 
> > 
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