[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback
Choms
choms at botmania.net
Sun Nov 21 06:05:17 CET 2010
Hi Jurgen,
Is not my letter, I just only say what I see... anyway, I think the letter that Payback is writing is only related to USPP and PPUK. Also, probably Payback will publish one letter and anonops another want (Payback is original operation who wants to continue DDoS and anonops the new project who wants to stop DDoS and do legal things like public protests, local workgroups, etc.).
Really I prefer the second option, I was on favor of stopping DDoS, simply this morning I read the open letter from USPP and PPUK, and I really rage... there are methods to say things, and I think that kind of letter is contra productive for both parts. In that letter, payback looks like criminals who doesn't make nothing good (and, by example, in spain DDoS are legal) and the USPP and PPUK like politic wannabes, if you read the comments, everyone is saying that both PPs are idiots...
So is bad press for both groups, instead a letter like "We know that the objectives os O:P are good, but we think your methods are inappropriate, can you please stop DDoS for the benefit of all?" It's not as hard to write something that benefits everyone...
That's why I'm raging, anonops is stopping DDoS for you, guys, and the only respect you show for a people who wants the same as you, and going to change, is say they they are immature scriptkiddies. Really, do you need to think about your people and your starts... congratulations, now you look like real political parties... doing things who can affect another people only for a little bit of publicity.
Now I'm not raging, I just feel sorry about USPP and PPUK, who missed their principles :(
El 20/11/2010, a las 23:39, Jurgen Rateau aka JaRrr escribió:
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> Hi Choms,
>
> May I ask you to direct your open letter, if you do write and publish
> it, to the PPUS and PPUK ?
> As a matter of fact the PPI is not related to this initiative (as
> Andrew claimed before himself).
>
> Quick reminder : The PPI doesn't have a mandate to communicate in name
> of all Pirate Parties and as such wouldn't speak to the press in name
> of all parties. At least not without global approval.
> Cheers,
>
> Jurgen
> PPBe
>
>
> On 20/11/2010 20:10, Choms wrote:
> > LOL, ok, I think this was a
> list of a political party, but I say no, and if u can insult, me
> too.
>
> >
>
> > Sir, I think you are a Great idiot.
>
> >
>
> > Well, if you can read http://piratepad.net/LE3F6FmYBO,
> you'll see it's not a bunch of idiots who want DDoS things.
> That, at my point of view, is a great project. Why you needed to
> shout shit to anonops for asking they stoping? there's ways to
> say things, and no only spreading shit over your friends...
>
> >
>
> > I don't wanna write more, so simply I'll say: Anonops is
> writing a open letter for PPi.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > El 20/11/2010, a las 19:52, Andrew Norton escribió:
>
> >
>
> > On 11/20/2010 1:05 PM, Choms wrote:
>
> > >>> Ok, as I see, you are playing at two bands,
> you are part of
>
> > Payback, maybe you hare gaging because some guy of payback
> kicked
>
> > you from IRC.
>
> >
>
> > Nope, I was there when invited, by some journalists;
> Pandasecurity. my
>
> > nick then was the same as on the start of my email,
> K`Tetch.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Stop playing two bands and tell in public your
> Payback nick...
>
> >
>
> > I didn't have one, because I didn't take part in it. It's
> not like it
>
> > was 'payback' for anything anyway. DDoS' are the net
> equivilent of
>
> > trying to get at your neighbour by playing your music too
> loud. 'ooh,
>
> > nasty'. And as soon as the music stops,
>
> >
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Also, you think I'm afraid that you say my
> name in public? It's
>
> > that a kind of threat?
>
> >
>
> > No, just an observation, you didn't say who you were, or
> what Pirate
>
> > Party you represent.
>
> >
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> On this moment I ask you for your resignation
> on USPP, and a
>
> > public retract of all things you have been said. This is
>
> > unacceptable, that you insult people on that way.
>
> > >>>
>
> > It's only an insult if it's not true. If you're a USPP
> member, the
>
> > method for having me removed is in the party constitution.
> I should
>
> > point out though that this letter was approved by the board
> of the
>
> > party. It wasn't just me. We all feel the same about these
> stupid kids,
>
> > and their idiotic actions. I also have had a policy that I
> don't say
>
> > anything I don't mean. I always stand 100% behind
> everything I say, else
>
> > I wouldn't say it. It's called 'integrity'.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > >>> Also, I'm not talking about DDoS attacks, if
> you don't know,
>
> > people on anonops decided to stop DDoS attacks before your
> letter,
>
> > that seems to be written by MPAA. That letter only shows
> payback as
>
> > criminals (when they aren't) and, because that letter, now
> people
>
> > are thinking on continue attacking... you have fucked up
> lot of hard
>
> > work, and a great project.
>
> > >>>
>
> >
>
> > Erm, they are. A DDoS is classified under the US legal
> system as a
>
> > Federal Felony attack on computer systems (National
> Information
>
> > Infrastructure Protection Act of 1996). You might remember
> the FBI have
>
> > been investigated O:P for the last few weeks.
>
> >
>
> >
> http://www.slyck.com/story2121_FBI_Launches_Probe_Into_Operation_Payback_Attacks
>
> >
>
> > And hard work, and a great project? It's not hard to load
> up a DDOS
>
> > script, and enter an IP address. And the only people
> thinking the
>
> > project is great, are those that want to use it to justify
> more,
>
> > stronger laws and restrictions. It has helped NO-ONE, it
> has negatively
>
> > affected EVERYONE in the long term.
>
> >
>
> > You really have no clue of the realities of what's going
> on. the MPAA
>
> > (and the RIAA lawyers running the US DoJ) are almost
> certainly hoping
>
> > you'll carry on. You're a nice public example of why we
> need 'more laws'
>
> > and 'ways to take down sites quick' to 'deal with these
> threats'. Yet
>
> > they, like EVERYONE ELSE know that a DDoS is a nuisance,
> it's not a
>
> > threat, it's just laughable. Remember, these are the same
> people that
>
> > took an underwear bomb that wouldn't have blown up, and
> used it to
>
> > justify hellishly invasive bodyscanners and borderline
> sexual assault.
>
> >
>
> > If you think the Pirate Party is a joke, then go piss off
> and join the
>
> > 'standing at the back, dressed stupidly and looking stupid
> party'
>
> > (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2212041448) -
> because that's more
>
> > your thing. In the US, we, as a party, are serious about
> trying to get
>
> > things changed, in a system that's almost impossible to get
> change to
>
> > happen, and possibly one of the least democratic in the
> western world.
>
> > The only party around with a harder time, that I'm aware
> of, is Tunisia.
>
> > What you've not seen from us in recent times, is dealing
> with all the
>
> > administrative stuff that's required.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > >>> Have a nice day.
>
> >
>
> > I always do, as my conscience is clear.
>
> >
>
> > Andrew Norton
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> El 20/11/2010, a las 18:48, Andrew Norton
> escribió:
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> On 11/20/2010 12:04 PM, Choms wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> Make a favor to the world and
> STFU, wait for my real reply,
>
> > and STOP
>
> > >>>>>> calling "scriptkiddies", "morons"
> and "inmatures" to people
>
> > who in 2
>
> > >>>>>> months have made more than all
> your party in... how many
>
> > years? really
>
> > >>>>>> don't know.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Made more what? Trouble for all of us?
>
> > >>> Excuses to pass laws we're all against?
>
> > >>> destroy any kind of public sympathy for our
> cause?
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>> WAIT for my real reply, also, you
> seems to be *rule 1&2*
>
> > looking at your
>
> > >>>>>> language (moron, moralfag,
> scriptkiddie)
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Here's the facts, Sergio Gonzalez.
>
> > >>> They committed Crimes.
>
> > >>> They have done NOTHING POSITIVE, except by
> accident (the ACS
>
> > leak was a
>
> > >>> mistake by their IT guy, in part caused by the
> DDOS, yut had the
>
> > IT guy
>
> > >>> done nothing, nothing would have happened)
>
> > >>> They have hurt our cause
>
> > >>> ANY actions they have done, are fleetingly
> ephemeral. Great,
>
> > they took a
>
> > >>> website offline for a few hours. Oh dear, what
> a calamity.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> They have inconvenienced their targets,
> slightly. They have ACTIVELY
>
> > >>> hurt the actions and activities of the
> parties, through their
>
> > stupid,
>
> > >>> ill-considered actions, committed in a fit of
> pique, or because
>
> > it's 'fun'.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> They have no real desire to actually DO
> anything. It's' simple
>
> > to load a
>
> > >>> little program, enter in an IP address and hit
> a button. Big
>
> > deal. It's
>
> > >>> a LOT harder to come out from behind the
> hiding, and work openly,
>
> > >>> legitimately, and effectively.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> They're cowards, incapable of doing anything
> effective, or
>
> > worthwhile.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> BTW, they've proved my point of being childish
> kids with temper
>
> > tantrums.
>
> > >>> " Channel Topic: Open letter to us from Pirate
> Parties:
>
> > >>> http://3.ly/torrfrk (also, Andrew Norton
> (72.152.11.213) said we are
>
> > >>> "scriptkiddies, morons and inmature") | Let's
> decide what to do,
>
> > attact
>
> > >>> USPP?"
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> That WAS my ip address, it's now changed :-)
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> foolish kids. I'm not afraid of a bunch of
> online wannabe
>
> > gangsters -
>
> > >>> hell the ones who were in my neighborhood
> growing up didn't
>
> > bother me,
>
> > >>> and they could actually do something to me,
> and their scriptkiddie
>
> > >>> threats (what else do you call what they've
> done? "load up your
>
> > LOIC and
>
> > >>> target xxx" sounds a HELL of a lot like 'run
> their script set
>
> > at..." aka
>
> > >>> SCRIPTKIDDIES
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Pathetic really.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>> Andrew Norton
>
> > >>> Not afraid and hiding behind proxys,
> pseudonyms or anything else
>
> > (unlike
>
> > >>> a lot of scriptkiddies) because they are
> nothing to be afraid
>
> > of. Just
>
> > >>> like none of their targets are afraid of them,
> but gladly using
>
> > them as
>
> > >>> an excuse to pass legislation.
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>> El 20/11/2010, a las 17:56, Andrew
> Norton escribió:
>
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>> On 11/20/2010 11:50 AM, Choms
> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>> Well, I really don't want
> to reply... I'm waiting the
>
> > response of some
>
> > >>>>>>>> people... but I really
> don't like the response of Andrew
>
> > Norton...
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> That is your choice, but the
> choice is simple,
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> You can either run around like
> a moron, doing DDOS attacks
>
> > and help push
>
> > >>>>>>> through censorship
> legislation, or you can ask them to stop,
>
> > and try and
>
> > >>>>>>> work on something productive.
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> It's the choice between acting
> like a moronic kid throwing a
>
> > tantrum, or
>
> > >>>>>>> acting like a grown up. It's
> THAT simple.
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>> BTW, most o:p won't support
> the pirate parties regardless -
>
> > it requires
>
> > >>>>>>> them to be too responsible,
> and grown up. The immature can't
>
> > handle
>
> > >>>>>>> being held responsible.
>
> > >>>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>
>
> > >>>>>>
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