[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

Sun Nov 21 06:21:26 CET 2010

Pirates who want to lecture others in that case, it's just politically
correct.
Just to cultivate one's image, really disappointing !

Mary

2010/11/21 Choms <choms at botmania.net>

> Hi Jurgen,
>
> Is not my letter, I just only say what I see... anyway, I think the letter
> that Payback is writing is only related to USPP and PPUK. Also, probably
> Payback will publish one letter and anonops another want (Payback is
> original operation who wants to continue DDoS and anonops the new project
> who wants to stop DDoS and do legal things like public protests, local
> workgroups, etc.).
> Really I prefer the second option, I was on favor of stopping DDoS, simply
> this morning I read the open letter from USPP and PPUK, and I really rage...
> there are methods to say things, and I think that kind of letter is contra
> productive for both parts. In that letter, payback looks like criminals who
> doesn't make nothing good (and, by example, in spain DDoS are legal) and the
> USPP and PPUK like politic wannabes, if you read the comments, everyone is
> saying that both PPs are idiots...
> So is bad press for both groups, instead a letter like "We know that the
> objectives os O:P are good, but we think your methods are inappropriate, can
> you please stop DDoS for the benefit of all?" It's not as hard to write
> something that benefits everyone...
> That's why I'm raging, anonops is stopping DDoS for you, guys, and the only
> respect you show for a people who wants the same as you, and going to
> change, is say they they are immature scriptkiddies. Really, do you need to
> think about your people and your starts... congratulations, now you look
> like real political parties... doing things who can affect another people
> only for a little bit of publicity.
>
> Now I'm not raging, I just feel sorry about USPP and PPUK, who missed their
> principles :(
>
> El 20/11/2010, a las 23:39, Jurgen Rateau aka JaRrr escribió:
>
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> Hi Choms,
>
> May I ask you to direct your open letter, if you do write and publish
> it, to the PPUS and PPUK ?
> As a matter of fact the PPI is not related to this initiative (as
> Andrew claimed before himself).
>
> Quick reminder : The PPI doesn't have a mandate to communicate in name
> of all Pirate Parties and as such wouldn't speak to the press in name
> of all parties. At least not without global approval.
> Cheers,
>
> Jurgen
> PPBe
>
>
> On 20/11/2010 20:10, Choms wrote:
> > LOL, ok, I think this was a list of a political party, but I say no, and
> if u can insult, me too.
> >
> > Sir, I think you are a Great idiot.
> >
> > Well, if you can read http://piratepad.net/LE3F6FmYBO, you'll see it's
> not a bunch of idiots who want DDoS things. That, at my point of view, is a
> great project. Why you needed to shout shit to anonops for asking they
> stoping? there's ways to say things, and no only spreading shit over your
> friends...
> >
> > I don't wanna write more, so simply I'll say: Anonops is writing a open
> letter for PPi.
> >
> >
> > El 20/11/2010, a las 19:52, Andrew Norton escribió:
> >
> > On 11/20/2010 1:05 PM, Choms wrote:
> > >>> Ok, as I see, you are playing at two bands, you are part of
> > Payback, maybe you hare gaging because some guy of payback kicked
> > you from IRC.
> >
> > Nope, I was there when invited, by some journalists; Pandasecurity. my
> > nick then was the same as on the start of my email, K`Tetch.
> > >>>
> > >>> Stop playing two bands and tell in public your Payback nick...
> >
> > I didn't have one, because I didn't take part in it. It's not like it
> > was 'payback' for anything anyway. DDoS' are the net equivilent of
> > trying to get at your neighbour by playing your music too loud. 'ooh,
> > nasty'. And as soon as the music stops,
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> Also, you think I'm afraid that you say my name in public? It's
> > that a kind of threat?
> >
> > No, just an observation, you didn't say who you were, or what Pirate
> > Party you represent.
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> On this moment I ask you for your resignation on USPP, and a
> > public retract of all things you have been said. This is
> > unacceptable, that you insult people on that way.
> > >>>
> > It's only an insult if it's not true. If you're a USPP member, the
> > method for having me removed is in the party constitution. I should
> > point out though that this letter was approved by the board of the
> > party. It wasn't just me. We all feel the same about these stupid kids,
> > and their idiotic actions. I also have had a policy that I don't say
> > anything I don't mean. I always stand 100% behind everything I say, else
> > I wouldn't say it. It's called 'integrity'.
> >
> >
> > >>> Also, I'm not talking about DDoS attacks, if you don't know,
> > people on anonops decided to stop DDoS attacks before your letter,
> > that seems to be written by MPAA. That letter only shows payback as
> > criminals (when they aren't) and, because that letter, now people
> > are thinking on continue attacking... you have fucked up lot of hard
> > work, and a great project.
> > >>>
> >
> > Erm, they are. A DDoS is classified under the US legal system as a
> > Federal Felony attack on computer systems (National Information
> > Infrastructure Protection Act of 1996). You might remember the FBI have
> > been investigated O:P for the last few weeks.
> >
> >
> http://www.slyck.com/story2121_FBI_Launches_Probe_Into_Operation_Payback_Attacks
> >
> > And hard work, and a great project? It's not hard to load up a DDOS
> > script, and enter an IP address. And the only people thinking the
> > project is great, are those that want to use it to justify more,
> > stronger laws and restrictions. It has helped NO-ONE, it has negatively
> > affected EVERYONE in the long term.
> >
> > You really have no clue of the realities of what's going on. the MPAA
> > (and the RIAA lawyers running the US DoJ) are almost certainly hoping
> > you'll carry on. You're a nice public example of why we need 'more laws'
> > and 'ways to take down sites quick' to 'deal with these threats'. Yet
> > they, like EVERYONE ELSE know that a DDoS is a nuisance, it's not a
> > threat, it's just laughable. Remember, these are the same people that
> > took an underwear bomb that wouldn't have blown up, and used it to
> > justify hellishly invasive bodyscanners and borderline sexual assault.
> >
> > If you think the Pirate Party is a joke, then go piss off and join the
> > 'standing at the back, dressed stupidly and looking stupid party'
> > (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2212041448) - because that's more
> > your thing. In the US, we, as a party, are serious about trying to get
> > things changed, in a system that's almost impossible to get change to
> > happen, and possibly one of the least democratic in the western world.
> > The only party around with a harder time, that I'm aware of, is Tunisia.
> > What you've not seen from us in recent times, is dealing with all the
> > administrative stuff that's required.
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> Have a nice day.
> >
> > I always do, as my conscience is clear.
> >
> > Andrew Norton
> >
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> El 20/11/2010, a las 18:48, Andrew Norton escribió:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/20/2010 12:04 PM, Choms wrote:
> > >>>>>> Make a favor to the world and STFU, wait for my real reply,
> > and STOP
> > >>>>>> calling "scriptkiddies", "morons" and "inmatures" to people
> > who in 2
> > >>>>>> months have made more than all your party in... how many
> > years? really
> > >>>>>> don't know.
> > >>>
> > >>> Made more what? Trouble for all of us?
> > >>> Excuses to pass laws we're all against?
> > >>> destroy any kind of public sympathy for our cause?
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> WAIT for my real reply, also, you seems to be *rule 1&2*
> > looking at your
> > >>>>>> language (moron, moralfag, scriptkiddie)
> > >>>
> > >>> Here's the facts, Sergio Gonzalez.
> > >>> They committed Crimes.
> > >>> They have done NOTHING POSITIVE, except by accident (the ACS
> > leak was a
> > >>> mistake by their IT guy, in part caused by the DDOS, yut had the
> > IT guy
> > >>> done nothing, nothing would have happened)
> > >>> They have hurt our cause
> > >>> ANY actions they have done, are fleetingly ephemeral. Great,
> > they took a
> > >>> website offline for a few hours. Oh dear, what a calamity.
> > >>>
> > >>> They have inconvenienced their targets, slightly. They have ACTIVELY
> > >>> hurt the actions and activities of the parties, through their
> > stupid,
> > >>> ill-considered actions, committed in a fit of pique, or because
> > it's 'fun'.
> > >>>
> > >>> They have no real desire to actually DO anything. It's' simple
> > to load a
> > >>> little program, enter in an IP address and hit a button. Big
> > deal. It's
> > >>> a LOT harder to come out from behind the hiding, and work openly,
> > >>> legitimately, and effectively.
> > >>>
> > >>> They're cowards, incapable of doing anything effective, or
> > worthwhile.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW, they've proved my point of being childish kids with temper
> > tantrums.
> > >>> " Channel Topic: Open letter to us from Pirate Parties:
> > >>> http://3.ly/torrfrk (also, Andrew Norton (72.152.11.213) said we are
> > >>> "scriptkiddies, morons and inmature") | Let's decide what to do,
> > attact
> > >>> USPP?"
> > >>>
> > >>> That WAS my ip address, it's now changed :-)
> > >>>
> > >>> foolish kids. I'm not afraid of a bunch of online wannabe
> > gangsters -
> > >>> hell the ones who were in my neighborhood growing up didn't
> > bother me,
> > >>> and they could actually do something to me, and their scriptkiddie
> > >>> threats (what else do you call what they've done? "load up your
> > LOIC and
> > >>> target xxx" sounds a HELL of a lot like 'run their script set
> > at..." aka
> > >>> SCRIPTKIDDIES
> > >>>
> > >>> Pathetic really.
> > >>>
> > >>> Andrew Norton
> > >>> Not afraid and hiding behind proxys, pseudonyms or anything else
> > (unlike
> > >>> a lot of scriptkiddies) because they are nothing to be afraid
> > of. Just
> > >>> like none of their targets are afraid of them, but gladly using
> > them as
> > >>> an excuse to pass legislation.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> El 20/11/2010, a las 17:56, Andrew Norton escribió:
> > >>>>>>
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> > >>>>>>> On 11/20/2010 11:50 AM, Choms wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Well, I really don't want to reply... I'm waiting the
> > response of some
> > >>>>>>>> people... but I really don't like the response of Andrew
> > Norton...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> That is your choice, but the choice is simple,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You can either run around like a moron, doing DDOS attacks
> > and help push
> > >>>>>>> through censorship legislation, or you can ask them to stop,
> > and try and
> > >>>>>>> work on something productive.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It's the choice between acting like a moronic kid throwing a
> > tantrum, or
> > >>>>>>> acting like a grown up. It's THAT simple.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> BTW, most o:p won't support the pirate parties regardless -
> > it requires
> > >>>>>>> them to be too responsible, and grown up. The immature can't
> > handle
> > >>>>>>> being held responsible.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
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