[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

[Choms]

Anyway, there's NO relationship between Payback and Pirate Party... Pirate Party would never do DDoS, this discussion is about the way of "criminalize" Payback.
If they aren't a political party, and their method of protest is legit, as have been said on this list lots of times, why we need to get involved on something completely unrelated to the party? At all, Payback is just... people... they can (and will) do what they want, it's called freedom.

Salu2

El 22/11/2010, a las 11:11, boboniboni boboniboni escribió:

> Historically, many parties advocated illegal things that were not
> immoral. Like it has been said, P2P may be unlawfull in certain
> countries and situations, but it is not immoral.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Justus Römeth <squig at dfpx.de> wrote:
>> But isn't the whole point of the Pirate Parties to fight these things within
>> the law? I personally have no big problems with them, but for a party to
>> advocate illegal things seems kinda missing the purpose of that party.
>> 
>> (and P2P itself is anything but illegal)
>> 
>> On 22.11.10 10:41, boboniboni boboniboni wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I agree with Mr. Stallman and Maxime.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Maxime Rouquet
>>> <maxime.rouquet at partipirate.org>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is that DRMs and everything are not unlawfull... More, they
>>>> are
>>>> protected by law !
>>>> 
>>>> And many things that are unlawfull are not immoral, for example
>>>> peer-to-peer
>>>> sharing.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard is right when he advises us to point out the nasty things our
>>>> enemies have made put in the law. This is something every one of us can
>>>> and
>>>> should do first when we communicate, whatever we say about DDoS attacks
>>>> or
>>>> other things on a second part.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/22/2010 09:50 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I disagree here. You don't 'punish' unlawful/immoral actions by other
>>>>> unlawful/immoral actions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 22.11.10 09:34, Richard Stallman wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Shutting down publishers' web sites is a nasty thing to do, but the
>>>>>> publishers have done much nastier things to people.  For instance,
>>>>>> setting up technological products to restrict their users,
>>>>>> and imprisoning people who make technology to break those restrictions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When anyone objects to the former, we should respond by pointing out
>>>>>> the latter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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