[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

[Kenneth Peiruza]

IMHO, what Anonymous did is neither illegal nor immoral. At least where 
I am.

As explained before, it is the net-equivalent to a street protest. 
Remember that street protests were illegal, immoral, forbidden and 
prosecuted for centuries. Nowadays everyone allows them on "the free 
world", and they are still prosecuted in dictatorial regimes. It took 
more than a century to achieve this right, don't start splitting it 
between the net and outside it.

I expected Pirate Parties to fight for right-equivalence inside and 
outside the net, but this discussion shows how some pirates believe in 
apartheid between these two words.

We are fighting because we have less freedom on the net than outside it, 
then, are we against strikes? Are we against our right to strike? are we 
accepting the lobby's crafted vocabulary?

Remember what do the companies say about the protesters: they damage the 
economy, they don't let the people to go to work and so on: bullshit, 
it's a worker's right. Destroying stuff is a different thing, that is a 
sabotage, and sabotage should be illegal.

A netstrike is not a sabotage, it's a strike, as when it ends, 
everything keeps running as expected, so:

1) it is not an attack: this is just using their words, crafted to make 
us look like criminals. This is as mislead as talking about Intellectual 
Property, when debating about Copyright, trademarks or Patents.
2) it is not illegal here (and it shouldn't be illegal to reload a 
website, we should fight for this right worldwide)
3) shouldn't be forbidden if it is announced and it's not forever, as a 
strike.
4) moral values are bullshit, as they differ from culture to culture and 
from time to time. It wasn't morally unacceptable to kill your child in 
the Roman empire, neither IS unlawful to kill a traitor in a war, 
neither killing a white guy who had sex with a non-white in the British 
colonies 200 years ago, so, moralists stay at home, please, as moral 
expires and law is made by the lobbies.
5) Traditional strikes do also cause a Denial of Service, and nobody 
says it is a DoS, people names it Strike.

Regards,

Kenneth


Al 22/11/10 09:50, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
> I disagree here. You don't 'punish' unlawful/immoral actions by other 
> unlawful/immoral actions.
>
> On 22.11.10 09:34, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> Shutting down publishers' web sites is a nasty thing to do, but the
>> publishers have done much nastier things to people.  For instance,
>> setting up technological products to restrict their users,
>> and imprisoning people who make technology to break those restrictions.
>>
>> When anyone objects to the former, we should respond by pointing out
>> the latter.
>>
>>
>
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