[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

Thu Nov 25 11:41:16 CET 2010

Right, I trolled liars, and liars got exposed. I ended quite a bit ago, 
read all emails before replying to old ones, it's a good trick for 
surviving in a mailing list ;)

Al 25/11/10 11:36, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
> You are the one trolling.
> On 24.11.10 20:32, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>> Blablabla, show me the law or stop trolling.
>>
>>
>> Al 24/11/10 20:10, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
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>>> On 11/24/2010 1:44 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>>> Did you spoke about river poisoning? so, you are in favour of
>>>> polluting!
>>> If it's done in the name of one of our goals, yes.
>>>
>>>> Did you spoke against EVERY murder? so you support it!
>>>>
>>> We've spoken out against every murder that came with a claim that it
>>> done to further a purpose that matches one of the party aims.
>>>
>>>> As you can see, I can't trust you.
>>> It's ok, We understand. You're stuck making strawmen arguments, because
>>> thats about all you have left. I realise that you've only been going a
>>> few months (by your own admission), so when you get some more 
>>> experience
>>> you'll understand. (Like one or two others, I was with another party
>>> previously, I've worked on campaigns with the Liberals, and the
>>> Conservatives in the UK, and the Libertarians in the US, before 
>>> starting
>>> with the Pirate Party US in 2006. 12 years of political experience. 12
>>> years of dealing with the press, seeing how they react and how you
>>> should best react to them.
>>>
>>> Stomp your feet, claim that because its good for you in your little
>>> corner, we should all be embracing it, even though it's bad for 
>>> everyone
>>> else. Is your PP so hard off that you need other party's to
>>> fundamentally compromise themselves, so that you can look good to a
>>> group of people that really don't give a damn about you, and are
>>> 'looking for the lulz'
>>>
>>> Our integrity, our purpose are not so easily given up (well, with one
>>> exception), as, apparently, yours are. In fact, your basic inability to
>>> understand 'this is the way things are here' ASTOUNDS me. I would never
>>> have thought there would be such flat-out ignorance here. In these
>>> countries, that's the way it is. I'm very happy you've got a nice easy
>>> system to work in, with few restrictions, but a harder one might make
>>> you actually think before you open your mouth, or click 'reply'.
>>> Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would dare trust someone that has had 'US
>>> Politics are different from Spanish Politics' drummed into them for
>>> what, 4 days now, and still doesn't get it. After 4 days of telling
>>> someone something simple, and self-evident, if they haven't got it, I
>>> wouldn't trust them to cross the road alone.
>>>
>>> No matter what stupid strawmen arguments you make, no matter how many
>>> times you argue 'but it's legal here', there remains one thing you fail
>>> to grasp. Your opinion means nothing. If the IRS decides to pull our
>>> status (effectively killing the party) no-one there gives a shit that
>>> some ignorant spaniard think's the actions were cool. When lobby groups
>>> start pressing legislators to ignore us and our calls because we're
>>> 'criminals', do you think anyone gives a damn that the actions were
>>> legal in Spain? When there are negative press reports condemning the
>>> entire movement in the public's eyes, do you think an infographic 
>>> saying
>>> 'But Kenneth Peiruza supports the attacks' will do anything?
>>>
>>> You may be a big fish in your lake, but we're not even a body of water
>>> here, we're a salt desert, might have been a lake once, but not any 
>>> more
>>> (and you have NO idea how accurate that metaphor is). Fish die here,
>>> very quickly, because they don't know how to survive, and it doesn't
>>> matter HOW big you are, it's the same result.
>>>
>>> Swim back to your pond, tend to your shoals, and stop telling us we 
>>> need
>>> to swim, because we can't swim here, no matter how much we might want
>>> to. We have to move in a completely different way, because that's the
>>> reality of the environment. Accept it, move on.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Al 24/11/10 19:39, En/na Marcus Kesler ha escrit:
>>>>> There does not have to be a relationship between USPP&   O:P. The
>>>>> rule in
>>>>> US media&   politics is as follows: If you don't speak out against 
>>>>> it,
>>>>> then it must mean that you support it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is the reason USPP spoke out against it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/24/2010 11:39 AM, Choms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> More insults and empty talk... If you cannot argument without
>>>>>> insulting people, better don't write more, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only argument you give on all this time is "O:P are stupid liars
>>>>>> scriptkiddies, they need to be exterminated".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you have a personal problems with some people, maybe you 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to fix it before continue fouling the list...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, as you said: "We do not promote, advocate, support, or 
>>>>>> engage
>>>>>> in illegal activities.
>>>>>> Where there is a disparity between individual action and the law, 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> law wins. However, if the law is incorrect, based on incorrect or
>>>>>> invalid principles, or created because of political pressures rather
>>>>>> than because it's right, we hold that these laws should be changed.
>>>>>> Changing a law does not require civil disobedience."
>>>>>> You are the only one inventing a relationship between USPP and
>>>>>> Payback... as far as I know, there's no relationship between both,
>>>>>> so... why do you say PPi is supporting Payback and USPP needs to
>>>>>> condemn it? (and the liars are O:P, of course :rolleyes:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know who said there's a relation between PPi and Payback, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> that completely is FALSE, and I don't understand it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 24/11/2010, a las 18:07, Andrew Norton escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...] tl;dr [...]
>>>>>>>
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