[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

Thu Nov 25 11:36:21 CET 2010

You are the one trolling.
On 24.11.10 20:32, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
> Blablabla, show me the law or stop trolling.
>
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> Al 24/11/10 20:10, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
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>> On 11/24/2010 1:44 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>> Did you spoke about river poisoning? so, you are in favour of
>>> polluting!
>> If it's done in the name of one of our goals, yes.
>>
>>> Did you spoke against EVERY murder? so you support it!
>>>
>> We've spoken out against every murder that came with a claim that it
>> done to further a purpose that matches one of the party aims.
>>
>>> As you can see, I can't trust you.
>> It's ok, We understand. You're stuck making strawmen arguments, because
>> thats about all you have left. I realise that you've only been going a
>> few months (by your own admission), so when you get some more experience
>> you'll understand. (Like one or two others, I was with another party
>> previously, I've worked on campaigns with the Liberals, and the
>> Conservatives in the UK, and the Libertarians in the US, before starting
>> with the Pirate Party US in 2006. 12 years of political experience. 12
>> years of dealing with the press, seeing how they react and how you
>> should best react to them.
>>
>> Stomp your feet, claim that because its good for you in your little
>> corner, we should all be embracing it, even though it's bad for everyone
>> else. Is your PP so hard off that you need other party's to
>> fundamentally compromise themselves, so that you can look good to a
>> group of people that really don't give a damn about you, and are
>> 'looking for the lulz'
>>
>> Our integrity, our purpose are not so easily given up (well, with one
>> exception), as, apparently, yours are. In fact, your basic inability to
>> understand 'this is the way things are here' ASTOUNDS me. I would never
>> have thought there would be such flat-out ignorance here. In these
>> countries, that's the way it is. I'm very happy you've got a nice easy
>> system to work in, with few restrictions, but a harder one might make
>> you actually think before you open your mouth, or click 'reply'.
>> Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would dare trust someone that has had 'US
>> Politics are different from Spanish Politics' drummed into them for
>> what, 4 days now, and still doesn't get it. After 4 days of telling
>> someone something simple, and self-evident, if they haven't got it, I
>> wouldn't trust them to cross the road alone.
>>
>> No matter what stupid strawmen arguments you make, no matter how many
>> times you argue 'but it's legal here', there remains one thing you fail
>> to grasp. Your opinion means nothing. If the IRS decides to pull our
>> status (effectively killing the party) no-one there gives a shit that
>> some ignorant spaniard think's the actions were cool. When lobby groups
>> start pressing legislators to ignore us and our calls because we're
>> 'criminals', do you think anyone gives a damn that the actions were
>> legal in Spain? When there are negative press reports condemning the
>> entire movement in the public's eyes, do you think an infographic saying
>> 'But Kenneth Peiruza supports the attacks' will do anything?
>>
>> You may be a big fish in your lake, but we're not even a body of water
>> here, we're a salt desert, might have been a lake once, but not any more
>> (and you have NO idea how accurate that metaphor is). Fish die here,
>> very quickly, because they don't know how to survive, and it doesn't
>> matter HOW big you are, it's the same result.
>>
>> Swim back to your pond, tend to your shoals, and stop telling us we need
>> to swim, because we can't swim here, no matter how much we might want
>> to. We have to move in a completely different way, because that's the
>> reality of the environment. Accept it, move on.
>>
>>>
>>> Al 24/11/10 19:39, En/na Marcus Kesler ha escrit:
>>>> There does not have to be a relationship between USPP&   O:P. The
>>>> rule in
>>>> US media&   politics is as follows: If you don't speak out against it,
>>>> then it must mean that you support it.
>>>>
>>>> That is the reason USPP spoke out against it.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/24/2010 11:39 AM, Choms wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> More insults and empty talk... If you cannot argument without
>>>>> insulting people, better don't write more, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only argument you give on all this time is "O:P are stupid liars
>>>>> scriptkiddies, they need to be exterminated".
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you have a personal problems with some people, maybe you have
>>>>> to fix it before continue fouling the list...
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, as you said: "We do not promote, advocate, support, or engage
>>>>> in illegal activities.
>>>>> Where there is a disparity between individual action and the law, the
>>>>> law wins. However, if the law is incorrect, based on incorrect or
>>>>> invalid principles, or created because of political pressures rather
>>>>> than because it's right, we hold that these laws should be changed.
>>>>> Changing a law does not require civil disobedience."
>>>>> You are the only one inventing a relationship between USPP and
>>>>> Payback... as far as I know, there's no relationship between both,
>>>>> so... why do you say PPi is supporting Payback and USPP needs to
>>>>> condemn it? (and the liars are O:P, of course :rolleyes:)
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know who said there's a relation between PPi and Payback, but
>>>>> that completely is FALSE, and I don't understand it...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> El 24/11/2010, a las 18:07, Andrew Norton escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [...] tl;dr [...]
>>>>>>
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>> - -- Andrew Norton
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