[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

Wed Nov 24 20:32:07 CET 2010

Blablabla, show me the law or stop trolling.

Al 24/11/10 20:10, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
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> On 11/24/2010 1:44 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
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>> Did you spoke about river poisoning? so, you are in favour of polluting!
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> If it's done in the name of one of our goals, yes.
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>> Did you spoke against EVERY murder? so you support it!
>>
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> We've spoken out against every murder that came with a claim that it
> done to further a purpose that matches one of the party aims.
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>> As you can see, I can't trust you.
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> It's ok, We understand. You're stuck making strawmen arguments, because
> thats about all you have left. I realise that you've only been going a
> few months (by your own admission), so when you get some more experience
> you'll understand. (Like one or two others, I was with another party
> previously, I've worked on campaigns with the Liberals, and the
> Conservatives in the UK, and the Libertarians in the US, before starting
> with the Pirate Party US in 2006. 12 years of political experience. 12
> years of dealing with the press, seeing how they react and how you
> should best react to them.
>
> Stomp your feet, claim that because its good for you in your little
> corner, we should all be embracing it, even though it's bad for everyone
> else. Is your PP so hard off that you need other party's to
> fundamentally compromise themselves, so that you can look good to a
> group of people that really don't give a damn about you, and are
> 'looking for the lulz'
>
> Our integrity, our purpose are not so easily given up (well, with one
> exception), as, apparently, yours are. In fact, your basic inability to
> understand 'this is the way things are here' ASTOUNDS me. I would never
> have thought there would be such flat-out ignorance here. In these
> countries, that's the way it is. I'm very happy you've got a nice easy
> system to work in, with few restrictions, but a harder one might make
> you actually think before you open your mouth, or click 'reply'.
> Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would dare trust someone that has had 'US
> Politics are different from Spanish Politics' drummed into them for
> what, 4 days now, and still doesn't get it. After 4 days of telling
> someone something simple, and self-evident, if they haven't got it, I
> wouldn't trust them to cross the road alone.
>
> No matter what stupid strawmen arguments you make, no matter how many
> times you argue 'but it's legal here', there remains one thing you fail
> to grasp. Your opinion means nothing. If the IRS decides to pull our
> status (effectively killing the party) no-one there gives a shit that
> some ignorant spaniard think's the actions were cool. When lobby groups
> start pressing legislators to ignore us and our calls because we're
> 'criminals', do you think anyone gives a damn that the actions were
> legal in Spain? When there are negative press reports condemning the
> entire movement in the public's eyes, do you think an infographic saying
> 'But Kenneth Peiruza supports the attacks' will do anything?
>
> You may be a big fish in your lake, but we're not even a body of water
> here, we're a salt desert, might have been a lake once, but not any more
> (and you have NO idea how accurate that metaphor is). Fish die here,
> very quickly, because they don't know how to survive, and it doesn't
> matter HOW big you are, it's the same result.
>
> Swim back to your pond, tend to your shoals, and stop telling us we need
> to swim, because we can't swim here, no matter how much we might want
> to. We have to move in a completely different way, because that's the
> reality of the environment. Accept it, move on.
>
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>> Al 24/11/10 19:39, En/na Marcus Kesler ha escrit:
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>>> There does not have to be a relationship between USPP&   O:P. The rule in
>>> US media&   politics is as follows: If you don't speak out against it,
>>> then it must mean that you support it.
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>>> That is the reason USPP spoke out against it.
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>>> On 11/24/2010 11:39 AM, Choms wrote:
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>>>> More insults and empty talk... If you cannot argument without
>>>> insulting people, better don't write more, please.
>>>>
>>>> The only argument you give on all this time is "O:P are stupid liars
>>>> scriptkiddies, they need to be exterminated".
>>>>
>>>> I think you have a personal problems with some people, maybe you have
>>>> to fix it before continue fouling the list...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, as you said: "We do not promote, advocate, support, or engage
>>>> in illegal activities.
>>>> Where there is a disparity between individual action and the law, the
>>>> law wins. However, if the law is incorrect, based on incorrect or
>>>> invalid principles, or created because of political pressures rather
>>>> than because it's right, we hold that these laws should be changed.
>>>> Changing a law does not require civil disobedience."
>>>> You are the only one inventing a relationship between USPP and
>>>> Payback... as far as I know, there's no relationship between both,
>>>> so... why do you say PPi is supporting Payback and USPP needs to
>>>> condemn it? (and the liars are O:P, of course :rolleyes:)
>>>>
>>>> I don't know who said there's a relation between PPi and Payback, but
>>>> that completely is FALSE, and I don't understand it...
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> El 24/11/2010, a las 18:07, Andrew Norton escribió:
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>>>>> [...] tl;dr [...]
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