[pp.int.general] PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

Thu Nov 25 12:02:00 CET 2010

Dude, you were beating a dead bush. The topic is through, and should 
never have been discussed like this in total. I wrote my last email 
yesterday but it just got sent today due to not having internet 
everywhere (more like having it nowehere :-( )

On 25.11.10 11:47, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
> BTW Justus, I didn't insulted Andrew, he did it at least 5 times in 
> that email. I just exposed he lied, and he agreed. So, can somebody 
> tell Andrew to stop insulting mates?
>
> And just to make it clear, I do not support O:P attacks, I just don't 
> criminalize them, which is not the same, despite some ignorant 
> arrogant guy can't understand it either in his mother tongue.
>
>
> Al 25/11/10 11:36, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
>> You are the one trolling.
>> On 24.11.10 20:32, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>> Blablabla, show me the law or stop trolling.
>>>
>>>
>>> Al 24/11/10 20:10, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
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>>>> On 11/24/2010 1:44 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>>>> Did you spoke about river poisoning? so, you are in favour of
>>>>> polluting!
>>>> If it's done in the name of one of our goals, yes.
>>>>
>>>>> Did you spoke against EVERY murder? so you support it!
>>>>>
>>>> We've spoken out against every murder that came with a claim that it
>>>> done to further a purpose that matches one of the party aims.
>>>>
>>>>> As you can see, I can't trust you.
>>>> It's ok, We understand. You're stuck making strawmen arguments, 
>>>> because
>>>> thats about all you have left. I realise that you've only been going a
>>>> few months (by your own admission), so when you get some more 
>>>> experience
>>>> you'll understand. (Like one or two others, I was with another party
>>>> previously, I've worked on campaigns with the Liberals, and the
>>>> Conservatives in the UK, and the Libertarians in the US, before 
>>>> starting
>>>> with the Pirate Party US in 2006. 12 years of political experience. 12
>>>> years of dealing with the press, seeing how they react and how you
>>>> should best react to them.
>>>>
>>>> Stomp your feet, claim that because its good for you in your little
>>>> corner, we should all be embracing it, even though it's bad for 
>>>> everyone
>>>> else. Is your PP so hard off that you need other party's to
>>>> fundamentally compromise themselves, so that you can look good to a
>>>> group of people that really don't give a damn about you, and are
>>>> 'looking for the lulz'
>>>>
>>>> Our integrity, our purpose are not so easily given up (well, with one
>>>> exception), as, apparently, yours are. In fact, your basic 
>>>> inability to
>>>> understand 'this is the way things are here' ASTOUNDS me. I would 
>>>> never
>>>> have thought there would be such flat-out ignorance here. In these
>>>> countries, that's the way it is. I'm very happy you've got a nice easy
>>>> system to work in, with few restrictions, but a harder one might make
>>>> you actually think before you open your mouth, or click 'reply'.
>>>> Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would dare trust someone that has had 
>>>> 'US
>>>> Politics are different from Spanish Politics' drummed into them for
>>>> what, 4 days now, and still doesn't get it. After 4 days of telling
>>>> someone something simple, and self-evident, if they haven't got it, I
>>>> wouldn't trust them to cross the road alone.
>>>>
>>>> No matter what stupid strawmen arguments you make, no matter how many
>>>> times you argue 'but it's legal here', there remains one thing you 
>>>> fail
>>>> to grasp. Your opinion means nothing. If the IRS decides to pull our
>>>> status (effectively killing the party) no-one there gives a shit that
>>>> some ignorant spaniard think's the actions were cool. When lobby 
>>>> groups
>>>> start pressing legislators to ignore us and our calls because we're
>>>> 'criminals', do you think anyone gives a damn that the actions were
>>>> legal in Spain? When there are negative press reports condemning the
>>>> entire movement in the public's eyes, do you think an infographic 
>>>> saying
>>>> 'But Kenneth Peiruza supports the attacks' will do anything?
>>>>
>>>> You may be a big fish in your lake, but we're not even a body of water
>>>> here, we're a salt desert, might have been a lake once, but not any 
>>>> more
>>>> (and you have NO idea how accurate that metaphor is). Fish die here,
>>>> very quickly, because they don't know how to survive, and it doesn't
>>>> matter HOW big you are, it's the same result.
>>>>
>>>> Swim back to your pond, tend to your shoals, and stop telling us we 
>>>> need
>>>> to swim, because we can't swim here, no matter how much we might want
>>>> to. We have to move in a completely different way, because that's the
>>>> reality of the environment. Accept it, move on.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Al 24/11/10 19:39, En/na Marcus Kesler ha escrit:
>>>>>> There does not have to be a relationship between USPP&   O:P. The
>>>>>> rule in
>>>>>> US media&   politics is as follows: If you don't speak out 
>>>>>> against it,
>>>>>> then it must mean that you support it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is the reason USPP spoke out against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/24/2010 11:39 AM, Choms wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More insults and empty talk... If you cannot argument without
>>>>>>> insulting people, better don't write more, please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only argument you give on all this time is "O:P are stupid 
>>>>>>> liars
>>>>>>> scriptkiddies, they need to be exterminated".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you have a personal problems with some people, maybe you 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to fix it before continue fouling the list...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, as you said: "We do not promote, advocate, support, or 
>>>>>>> engage
>>>>>>> in illegal activities.
>>>>>>> Where there is a disparity between individual action and the 
>>>>>>> law, the
>>>>>>> law wins. However, if the law is incorrect, based on incorrect or
>>>>>>> invalid principles, or created because of political pressures 
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> than because it's right, we hold that these laws should be changed.
>>>>>>> Changing a law does not require civil disobedience."
>>>>>>> You are the only one inventing a relationship between USPP and
>>>>>>> Payback... as far as I know, there's no relationship between both,
>>>>>>> so... why do you say PPi is supporting Payback and USPP needs to
>>>>>>> condemn it? (and the liars are O:P, of course :rolleyes:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know who said there's a relation between PPi and 
>>>>>>> Payback, but
>>>>>>> that completely is FALSE, and I don't understand it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 24/11/2010, a las 18:07, Andrew Norton escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [...] tl;dr [...]
>>>>>>>>
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