[pp.int.general] End of Topic: PPi ask Anonymous to stop Payback

Thu Nov 25 12:06:28 CET 2010

You know, when you are insulted 5 times in an email with void arguments, 
it's easy to go nuts. But you're right, let's close this topic, 
everything got clear.

Al 25/11/10 12:02, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
> Dude, you were beating a dead bush. The topic is through, and should 
> never have been discussed like this in total. I wrote my last email 
> yesterday but it just got sent today due to not having internet 
> everywhere (more like having it nowehere :-( )
>
>
> On 25.11.10 11:47, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>> BTW Justus, I didn't insulted Andrew, he did it at least 5 times in 
>> that email. I just exposed he lied, and he agreed. So, can somebody 
>> tell Andrew to stop insulting mates?
>>
>> And just to make it clear, I do not support O:P attacks, I just don't 
>> criminalize them, which is not the same, despite some ignorant 
>> arrogant guy can't understand it either in his mother tongue.
>>
>>
>> Al 25/11/10 11:36, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
>>> You are the one trolling.
>>> On 24.11.10 20:32, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>>> Blablabla, show me the law or stop trolling.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Al 24/11/10 20:10, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
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>>>>> On 11/24/2010 1:44 PM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>>>>> Did you spoke about river poisoning? so, you are in favour of
>>>>>> polluting!
>>>>> If it's done in the name of one of our goals, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you spoke against EVERY murder? so you support it!
>>>>>>
>>>>> We've spoken out against every murder that came with a claim that it
>>>>> done to further a purpose that matches one of the party aims.
>>>>>
>>>>>> As you can see, I can't trust you.
>>>>> It's ok, We understand. You're stuck making strawmen arguments, 
>>>>> because
>>>>> thats about all you have left. I realise that you've only been 
>>>>> going a
>>>>> few months (by your own admission), so when you get some more 
>>>>> experience
>>>>> you'll understand. (Like one or two others, I was with another party
>>>>> previously, I've worked on campaigns with the Liberals, and the
>>>>> Conservatives in the UK, and the Libertarians in the US, before 
>>>>> starting
>>>>> with the Pirate Party US in 2006. 12 years of political 
>>>>> experience. 12
>>>>> years of dealing with the press, seeing how they react and how you
>>>>> should best react to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stomp your feet, claim that because its good for you in your little
>>>>> corner, we should all be embracing it, even though it's bad for 
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> else. Is your PP so hard off that you need other party's to
>>>>> fundamentally compromise themselves, so that you can look good to a
>>>>> group of people that really don't give a damn about you, and are
>>>>> 'looking for the lulz'
>>>>>
>>>>> Our integrity, our purpose are not so easily given up (well, with one
>>>>> exception), as, apparently, yours are. In fact, your basic 
>>>>> inability to
>>>>> understand 'this is the way things are here' ASTOUNDS me. I would 
>>>>> never
>>>>> have thought there would be such flat-out ignorance here. In these
>>>>> countries, that's the way it is. I'm very happy you've got a nice 
>>>>> easy
>>>>> system to work in, with few restrictions, but a harder one might make
>>>>> you actually think before you open your mouth, or click 'reply'.
>>>>> Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would dare trust someone that has 
>>>>> had 'US
>>>>> Politics are different from Spanish Politics' drummed into them for
>>>>> what, 4 days now, and still doesn't get it. After 4 days of telling
>>>>> someone something simple, and self-evident, if they haven't got it, I
>>>>> wouldn't trust them to cross the road alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> No matter what stupid strawmen arguments you make, no matter how many
>>>>> times you argue 'but it's legal here', there remains one thing you 
>>>>> fail
>>>>> to grasp. Your opinion means nothing. If the IRS decides to pull our
>>>>> status (effectively killing the party) no-one there gives a shit that
>>>>> some ignorant spaniard think's the actions were cool. When lobby 
>>>>> groups
>>>>> start pressing legislators to ignore us and our calls because we're
>>>>> 'criminals', do you think anyone gives a damn that the actions were
>>>>> legal in Spain? When there are negative press reports condemning the
>>>>> entire movement in the public's eyes, do you think an infographic 
>>>>> saying
>>>>> 'But Kenneth Peiruza supports the attacks' will do anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> You may be a big fish in your lake, but we're not even a body of 
>>>>> water
>>>>> here, we're a salt desert, might have been a lake once, but not 
>>>>> any more
>>>>> (and you have NO idea how accurate that metaphor is). Fish die here,
>>>>> very quickly, because they don't know how to survive, and it doesn't
>>>>> matter HOW big you are, it's the same result.
>>>>>
>>>>> Swim back to your pond, tend to your shoals, and stop telling us 
>>>>> we need
>>>>> to swim, because we can't swim here, no matter how much we might want
>>>>> to. We have to move in a completely different way, because that's the
>>>>> reality of the environment. Accept it, move on.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al 24/11/10 19:39, En/na Marcus Kesler ha escrit:
>>>>>>> There does not have to be a relationship between USPP&   O:P. The
>>>>>>> rule in
>>>>>>> US media&   politics is as follows: If you don't speak out 
>>>>>>> against it,
>>>>>>> then it must mean that you support it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is the reason USPP spoke out against it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/24/2010 11:39 AM, Choms wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More insults and empty talk... If you cannot argument without
>>>>>>>> insulting people, better don't write more, please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only argument you give on all this time is "O:P are stupid 
>>>>>>>> liars
>>>>>>>> scriptkiddies, they need to be exterminated".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you have a personal problems with some people, maybe 
>>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>>> to fix it before continue fouling the list...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, as you said: "We do not promote, advocate, support, or 
>>>>>>>> engage
>>>>>>>> in illegal activities.
>>>>>>>> Where there is a disparity between individual action and the 
>>>>>>>> law, the
>>>>>>>> law wins. However, if the law is incorrect, based on incorrect or
>>>>>>>> invalid principles, or created because of political pressures 
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>> than because it's right, we hold that these laws should be 
>>>>>>>> changed.
>>>>>>>> Changing a law does not require civil disobedience."
>>>>>>>> You are the only one inventing a relationship between USPP and
>>>>>>>> Payback... as far as I know, there's no relationship between both,
>>>>>>>> so... why do you say PPi is supporting Payback and USPP needs to
>>>>>>>> condemn it? (and the liars are O:P, of course :rolleyes:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know who said there's a relation between PPi and 
>>>>>>>> Payback, but
>>>>>>>> that completely is FALSE, and I don't understand it...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El 24/11/2010, a las 18:07, Andrew Norton escribió:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [...] tl;dr [...]
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ____________________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>> - -- Andrew Norton
>>>>> http://ktetch.blogspot.com
>>>>> Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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