[pp.int.general] Wikileaks under DDoS attack

[Stefan Sakowitz]

Ahoi Andrew / Dear Mr. Norton,

Be assured, I didn´t drop out of education
and good manners.

I´ve been reading 18.U.S.C§793, and even for me, with
some experience in international legislation and
contracting, this is hard to understand.

For me this reads, as if it is generally forbidden
to talk (!) about the United States or any economic
enterprise, which could have contacts to the US-
forces. 

Imagine: Some european guys receive documents 
by US-companies, which as well repair military 
goods. Are these economic-experts or jounalists
not entitled anymore to write a critical article
about Boeing or L3-communications ?

Please Andrew/Mr Norton be assured, the rest of the
world is pretty afraid of being kidnapped in their
home-countries and kept for ten years in Gtmo without
even having a chance to apply at a court.

For this the pirates use expressively the formula
>until found guilty in the USA<. Or: If US-law
with some luck appeals to the rest of us 6.3 bn
inhabitants of this planet.

Thank you for some additional informations,

from Germany

Stefan  




















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> Datum: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 00:44:29 -0500
> Von: Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com>
> An: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] Wikileaks under DDoS attack

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> On 11/28/2010 4:47 PM, Jay Emerson wrote:
> > Innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.
> 
> *facepalm* Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... US educational standards!
> 
> ACTIONS are legal, or illegal. That's what laws are, a list of actions
> and the situations in which they are "illegal" An illegal act, is ALWAYS
> an illegal act.
> 
> Now, a PERSON can be guilty or innocent. Specifically, they are guilty
> or innocent of an ACTION. In this sort of discussion, and specifically
> with the usage of the phrase you have mentioned, the action is an
> illegal action. In fact, courts (in the U.S., since you made that
> distinction) go out of their way to avoid touching the question of an
> action's defined legality or illegality.
> 
> If you don't understand (and I guess Jay doesn't, else he wouldn't have
> posted what he did)
> Taking some random child is kidnap, and is illegal. Forcing that child
> to have sex with you is illegal. Killing the child afterwards is
> illegal. Those actions are all defined as illegal.
> 
> Now...
> Did Glenn Beck rape and kill a young girl in 1990?
> The answer is, even if  he did, he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
> 
> It's really simple to understand. To understand if an act is legal or
> illegal, you need nothing more than the ability to read, and access to
> the laws. To determine if a person is guilty or innocent, you need a
> court case, and lawyers and judges and so on.
> 
> Of course, I can't blame Jay for not knowing the basic difference
> between actions and people, because i think he (proudly[1]) dropped out
> of high school before taking the class that explained this basic fact.
> 
> > 
> > On Nov 28, 2010 4:38 PM, "lilo" <al3lilo at autistici.org
> > <mailto:al3lilo at autistici.org>> wrote:
> > http://wlcentral.org/
> > 
> > 
> > whats about legal or not legal?
> > 
> > 
> > l.
> > 
> > 
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> [1] Second paragraph of 'background' section -
> http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25802
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> - -- 
> Andrew Norton
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