[pp.int.general] pp.international.general Digest, Vol 44, Issue 18

[Core TX]

I will base my opinion partially on Andrew Norton, who has always been doing
exellent work for not only
the US pirate parties, but also for pirate parties around the world.
The only criticism i could give him, is stating that in politics you don't
have to provide 3 pieces of proof for making your political statement, since
we are in politics, not in academia.

Andrew is one of the /few/ people who have made PPI gain some credibitliy on
a international level.
Not only has he been deeply involved into setting up national parties around
the globe, but he has also interconnected a lot of pirates around the globe.
They still communicate, and share ideas among each other.
Mostly outside of this mailinglist because of it's rants such as yours.
If you want to converse dirty national party politics against Andrew, please
do so on a national level.

Your vision when it  comes to PPI is also flawed due to the fact that you do
not know it's history, nor are able to look behind the scenes.
When it comes to PPI versus PPUS relationships, there is so much more to
tell.
It is PPI, who has made the united states pirates loose at least a full year
of productivity and organizational development. This due to a small group of
PPI active people who are heavily influencing the current PPI board.
And have been involved into dirty internal politics for atleast a year.

So yes, we need to stand together, all of us pirates. But currently, as you
state it ,there is lack of people of real talent and background stepping
forward for doing good work.
However, Andrew is and has been one of the people who does, despite his
intolerance for incompetence and lucid personal agenda's and party politics
that works against each other instead of with each other.

Just my 2 cents in this conversation ;)

Samir Allioui
Founder Dutch pirate party & Former PPI co-president.




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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Andrew Failing, AGAIN (Travis McCrea)
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> From: Travis McCrea <travis.mccrea at pirate-party.us>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Andrew Failing, AGAIN
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> Sorry to grave dig an old thread, but I would love to put my two cents into
> this conversation..
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> Andrew Norton has always been a sniffling know-it-all (who actually knows
> crap), and is one of the biggest factors to why the Untied States Pirate
> Party is where it is (the other of course being the United States' insane
> laws regarding political parties). He hardly represents the actual thought
> process that the United States Pirate Party has, so hopefully none of you
> base your opinion on us, based on him.
>
> The arguments you raise in this discussion, are the same ones that we have
> been having in our IRC channel, and the reason why there are not many
> people
> of real talent and background stepping forward to do anything. He makes our
> party, and he makes PPI look like a joke.
>
> I know this sounds like I am fighting negativity with more negativity...
> but
> seriously... every time in both PPI and in USPP affairs anyone ever takes
> the initiative to do something great, I always see him being the first one
> to try and make them look like an idiot. There are others too, but Andrew
> Norton is by far the worst of them. We are a small group in politics, even
> as a whole collective we make up fractions of voters... we don't need to
> have anyone (not just Andrew) always being the negative nancy... we need to
> support each other and make this an enjoyable party to be part of. It's
> emotionally taxing on anyone who cares about the party, to know how
> important our goals are, and how little people are paying attention to
> them,
> or voting for the same corrupt powers that are in place. When you work so
> hard, and give so much of your personal time to help the cause, the last
> thing you want is to be mocked, insulted, etc. by someone on your own side.
>
> We need to stand together, the whole PPI... Its funny that for a Political
> Party whose main focus it is to share ideas, we don't really share much
> between parties (at least not much that I have seen). I have been working
> to
> build the bond between the US and Canadian parties, which has shown some
> success... but its still not fully there. Then when people DO share ideas,
> they get harassed. Thats not acceptable... of course you have your free
> speech, I am not saying that we should censor these people... but these
> people should be made aware that their words and actions are not helping
> anyone.
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> Travis McCrea
> Volunteer - USPP
> 1(206)552-TRAV (8728)
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