[pp.int.general] File Sharing in Space

[Erik Lönroth]

Wow!

Seems like a response from the community with some substance to it! I
like the idea of "Practical Politics" instead of just "Political
Politics". Not to say one goes without the other, but in the end your
either do or you don't.

I might have arranged with some funding already for some rudimentary
electronics:

Regarding the details about the flight, nothing is decided. Its just
clear that its better if it stays up longer, stays over land and stays
alive. Apart from that, I guess its up to the ambitions of the
project.

I have compiled a starting position of stuff that might provide stuff
for this - feel free to look over the details and maybe hint of better
stuff you know of:

Baloon: http://www.scientificsales.com/
Computer: http://www.gumstix.com/
GPS module: expansion board for gumstix at http://www.gumstix.com/
Solar panel: http://teknikhamstern.se/Butiken/tabid/61/ProductID/33/Default.aspx

I don't know what kind of problem the communication will introduce for
me. I guess both weather condition and the flight altitude will cause
different challenges. I think this might be the most challenging part.
How to acctually make it possible for the site to send and receive
data from internet...

I have discovered an initial problem that needs to be thought of:

* Helium baloons leak their gas because of the atoms escaping through
the latex in the baloon. This makes them crash after maybe some 3-5
days. With a substance called "Hi float" pumped into the baloon it can
be prolonged, but not enough. So - how the hell can one force a baloon
to stay in the air for alot longer?!

Can the collective mind of PPI solve a problem with making a baloon
stay up in the air for lets say - a year ?

If we can make a file-sharing site go orbit - what can we do else?
/Erik

BTW:  The tips you gave Francisco George are very interesting. I will
look into that for sure.  The idea of a satellite is wonderful, even
if maybe in the far end of reality.

Andrew Norton:
>> The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.
>> How high, and how long.  do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled
 High enough.
 As long as possible - a year(s) ?
>> climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude
>> glider?
 High enough to be cool, low enough to be able to reach with communications.
>> Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you
>> want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?
  I don't really expect to get the stuff back. Its probably very
likely it turns up in the sea or so. Geostationary is probably way to
difficult as a first project. Its better to set a goal and reach it
and then look at the stars.

/Erik

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Francisco George
<francisco.george at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok
> This could be feasable.
> If you manage to put some device in the air there is already some software
> that could be use to download the material upthere.
> The soft is called SkyGrabber, and is known to have been used by Irakis
> insurgents to capture images and live videos from US Drones.
> http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/02/hackers-cybercrime-cryptography-technology-security-satellite.html
> The software Webpage
> http://www.skygrabber.com/en/index.php
> and more info in google search: http://bit.ly/9x0Sdx
> You could also use http://kickstarter.com to find fundings for such project.
> This site is the one used by DIASPORA to raise funds for their project.
> Solar panels should provide the main Energy I think. But why not think of a
> real Satelite...
> Brazil, known for the liberal use of internet, has a Space
> Agency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Space_Agency
> Best Regards
> Francisco George
> Member of National Comitee of the Spanish Pirate Party
>
>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:22:41 +0200
>> From: Erik L?nroth <erik.lonroth at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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>> Hello you wonderful useless pirates!
>>
>> Since we didn't do too well in the Swedish election, I have got some
>> time over for relaxing and spending time on some private projects.
>>
>> A friend of mine is involved in some crazy stuff with rockets and is
>> currently participating in "Sugar Shot to Space". I'm not sure how,
>> But anway, we are thinking of doing a far less complicated thing
>> parallel to that...
>>
>> We plan to send a file sharing site (or something similar) into the
>> sky - possibly a blogg (?)... We plan to use some kind of baloon and
>> try to keep it up in the air for as long as possible. Hopefully
>> irritating the crap out of authorities in as many countries as
>> possible.
>>
>> I don't know jack shit about most of the stuff involved, but since I
>> figured, alot of techies roam this forum - I would like to ask for
>> good advices and far fetched ideas as to how to do this.
>>
>> The Pirate Party Logo is off-course going up together with it.
>>
>> The over all goal is to learn how to do this, have fun, create a
>> debate about free communication, learn stuff, publish everything and
>> share information.
>>
>> Soon, we will start up a forum and wiki, but for now we would like to
>> know if you useless people can help out on the following topics:
>>
>>
>> * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.
>> * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...
>> * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.
>> * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.
>> * How to fund it.
>>
>> Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?
>>
>> /Erik
>>
>>
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>> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:32:33 -0400
>> From: Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space
>> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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>> On 10/17/2010 4:22 PM, Erik L?nroth wrote:
>> > Hello you wonderful useless pirates!
>> >
>> > * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.
>> > * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...
>> > * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.
>> > * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.
>> > * How to fund it.
>> >
>> > Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?
>> >
>>
>> My second degree was going to be in astrophyics, with an eye towards
>> Mars (manned missions, astrophysics complimenting my main one in robotics)
>>
>> Let me think on it a bit.
>>
>> The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.
>> How high, and how long.  do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled
>> climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude
>> glider? Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you
>> want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?
>>
>> make a big difference to the sorts of designs needed.
>>
>> > /Erik
>> > ____________________________________________________
>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> > pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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>> - --
>> Andrew Norton
>> http://ktetch.blogspot.com
>> Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:29:09 -0200
>> From: Rodrigo Pereira <rodrigo2kpereira at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] File sharing in space
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
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>> ow! owesome! This will be the sputnik of the new era. I had the idea
>> to send a micro satelite to spread some "dangerous" urls in morse code
>> like "h-t-t-p-:-/-/-t-h-e-p-i-r-a-t-e-b-a-y-.-o-r-g using this
>> service: http://interorbital.com/TubeSat_1.htm
>>
>> But I think is more cheaper and "cool" construct a dirigible balloon
>> loading a router with a customized access point firmware to spread a
>> torrent site, like firmwares in dd-wrt.com. The dirigible must be
>> autonomous if coupled in a gps system and a basic route programation
>> (to skip airports area, for example). Solar pannels with bateries must
>> be feed the machine.
>>
>> Is very nice think about this. If anyone have a lot of money to
>> support this, call me! ;)
>>
>> 2010/10/17 Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com>:
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>> > On 10/17/2010 4:22 PM, Erik L?nroth wrote:
>> >> Hello you wonderful useless pirates!
>> >>
>> >> * How to make a baloon stay up in the air for as long as possible.
>> >> * How to provide energy to enough electronics to drive...
>> >> * ... what nessesary equipment is needed to do this.
>> >> * How to keep the electronics alive as long as possible.
>> >> * How to fund it.
>> >>
>> >> Are there any of you that can provide help here, or are we alone?
>> >>
>> >
>> > My second degree was going to be in astrophyics, with an eye towards
>> > Mars (manned missions, astrophysics complimenting my main one in
>> > robotics)
>> >
>> > Let me think on it a bit.
>> >
>> > The main thing that will drive the design will be the flight profile.
>> > How high, and how long. ?do you want a weather-baloon style uncontrolled
>> > climb, or something more like an airship, or an ultra-high altitude
>> > glider? Or, most ambitiously, do you want something to LEO? Then, do you
>> > want minutes, hours, days? Recovery+relaunch? Geostationary, or not?
>> >
>> > make a big difference to the sorts of designs needed.
>> >
>> >> /Erik
>> >> ____________________________________________________
>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>> >> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>> >
>> >
>> > - --
>> > Andrew Norton
>> > http://ktetch.blogspot.com
>> > Tel: (352)6-KTETCH [352-658-3824]
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:27:27 -0400
>> From: Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
>> To: Brendan Molloy <brendanmolloy at pirateparty.org.au>
>> Cc: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> Message-ID: <E1P7jBv-0002z6-IT at fencepost.gnu.org>
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>> Thanks for the PDF file.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Stallman
>> President, Free Software Foundation
>> 51 Franklin St
>> Boston MA 02110
>> USA
>> www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:27:43 -0400
>> From: Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Message-ID: <E1P7jCB-00031I-MT at fencepost.gnu.org>
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>> The rants Turovskiy directs at me are not opinions about what I said.
>> They misrepresent what I said about the issue, and they misrepresent
>> the issue too.
>>
>> To publish in Flash v9 does more than simply "tell" people
>> to use proprietary software -- it requires them to do so
>> in order to view the publication.
>>
>> By contrast, publishing in PDF lets people use many programs
>> to view the publication.  Some of them are free software,
>> but people who are determined to lose their freedom do have
>> the option of using proprietary options too.
>>
>> The issue comes from those facts.  When Turovskiy says that this is a
>> matter of "telling people to use free software", he misrepresents the
>> issue.  And when he claims I am trying to do that, he misrepresents
>> what I said.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Stallman
>> President, Free Software Foundation
>> 51 Franklin St
>> Boston MA 02110
>> USA
>> www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:28:08 -0400
>> From: Richard Stallman <rms at gnu.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
>> To: Gregory Engels <gregory.engels at pp-international.net>
>> Cc: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> Message-ID: <E1P7jCa-0003Ao-Vg at fencepost.gnu.org>
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>>    unfortunately it is bigger than allowed to be uploaded to
>>    the wiki, so i put it on dropbox:
>>
>>  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4020978/There%20is%20no%20such%20thing%20as%20intellectual%20property.pdf
>>
>> I think that will address the issue.  Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Stallman
>> President, Free Software Foundation
>> 51 Franklin St
>> Boston MA 02110
>> USA
>> www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:52:33 +0200
>> From: Marco Confalonieri <marco.confalonieri at email.it>
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] European Liberty Conference
>> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
>> Message-ID: <4CBC18E1.7020100 at email.it>
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>>  Il 17/10/2010 15.13, Boris Turovskiy ha scritto:
>> >  Hi lilo,
>> > I reply in as bad English: fuck you! but you may learn English with
>> > clients. Thanks.
>> > Boris
>>
>> Apart from my personal stance that without RMS there would be no Pirate
>> Movement in any part of the world, I'd like to ask you why are you so
>> rude, since lilo didn't use any insult towards you in the mail you were
>> replying to.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Marco Confalonieri
>> Associazione Partito Pirata (PP-IT)
>> http://www.partito-pirata.it
>>
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