[pp.int.general] Please delete --> Fw: The Venus project?

Thu Aug 11 22:51:03 CEST 2011

sent away through an oversight, I'm very sorry. It's just a
draft ... mind mapping ;-)

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Datum: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 03:05:37 +0200
Von: Maike Marrek <listen at jaasnee.de>
An: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
Betreff: Re: [pp.int.general] The Venus project?

Am Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:01:16 -0700
schrieb Aftermath <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com>:

> nope, I mean some people believe 100% propaganda.
> 
> Propaganda is 90% truth.
> 
> This cult film is 100% propaganda.
> 
> I dont know how to say it any simpler.

This week I stumbled upon a documentary on ARTE about climate warming.
I've always claimed we as human beings are in charge of climate
warming. But considering the faked scientific data which made the
headlines a year ago I've learned to say as well: it doesn't make a
difference if we are in charge of it or anything else is - nobody has
the right to take more ressources as could be replaced and if it's
happens nonetheless it should be the decision of as many people as
possible.

My point is: Up to now I supported popular but wrong facts¹. 

To do so has been my solely decision, I've never read scientific papers
about the topic, just picked up the news and read more informatory
articles and books. I've been just following mass media.

Some weeks ago I stumbled upon Obamas twitter press conference, someone
asked him via tweet why not to cut military budgets and spent the
money for education or health. His answer was: he really loves the idea
of it and moreover one has to cut military budget just for
one or two percent and the amount of money could cover the existing
education budget almost twice. More seriously: not twice, but this
would be a tidy sum of money for education and other peaceful budgets.

Some days later on the headline has been "US Congress
passed highest Military spendings ever" - not "highest Education
budget ever". So, what or whom to believe in now? 

Regarding these examples it will be easy 

BTW: MINORITY RULES: SCIENTISTS DISCOVER TIPPING POINT FOR THE SPREAD
OF IDEAS
http://www.physorg.com/news230831591.html   

To put it in a nutshell: reaching a certain point of
acceptance, anything will reach the majority, regardless whether it's a
great or destructive idea. 

I consider these days as extremely instable. Doing some steps over the  

, they will come up anyway - so
if things are 

¹ Climate warming is - presumably ;-) - an astronomic question of
whether we are - on a spiral arm or in between of two of them. 
http://tinyurl.com/443l2el (Arte link, german)
http://tinyurl.com/3e65okd (Arte link, french)

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> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > If their message is 100% bullshit, then the fact that financial
> > elites, without producing anything but scams, have raped our
> > societies for decades, and we now have to pay the price, is
> > something good. Is this what you mean?
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Aftermath
> > <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 90% of propaganda is truth. Much of what they say is true. This
> >> doesnt mean that their message isnt 100% bullshit.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Giulio Prisco <giulio at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Disagree. As in my previous post, I don't buy the kind of
> >>> solutions proposed by Zeitgeist, but "bullshit" is too much and
> >>> undeserved. Parts of their analysis of today's world are correct,
> >>> especially on the financial system.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Aftermath
> >>> <aftermath.thegreat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> zeitgeist is a cult film. They believe in bringing the worlds
> >>>> population down to 10 million but dont say how they intend to do
> >>>> it.
> >>>>
> >>>> zeitgeist is bullshit. So is the venus project. Lets get back to
> >>>> reality now....
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Stéphane Vanbellinghen
> >>>> <carnops at pirateparty.be> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before joining the Belgian Pirate Party, in 2009, I dug a
> >>>>> little bit on this after a friend recommended the 1st Zeitgeist
> >>>>> movie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Even if the movies are not totally accurate, it has the merit
> >>>>> to question many things that I didn't consider before and to
> >>>>> spot the important topics to design the future.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Venus Project has, in my opinion, interesting ideas on
> >>>>> urban planning, transportation, energy production, ressources
> >>>>> management and so on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've quite the same feeling as Giulio Prisco when he says :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> But the proposed solutions are too centralized for my taste, I
> >>>>>> smell a type of benevolent authoritarianism that I prefer to
> >>>>>> keep away from.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wouldn't give my trust to either a centralized AI as decision
> >>>>> maker or a benevolant dictator.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, if you are interested on the topic, read the VP
> >>>>> documents and compare it to some other available informations
> >>>>> to shape your point of view.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Stéphane VANBELLINGHEN
> >>>>> Pirate Party Belgium
> >>>>> Co-Chairman
> >>>>> +32 496 74 28 02
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