[pp.int.general] Filing charges against the board of PPI regarding the next GA Location.

[Robert Renling Berencreuz]

First and foremost conversations happen between individuals, it's our
primary way of communication.
Communication is essential to understanding one another.
Now the title of this email thread begins with "filing charges(...)"
On what basis?
The merit of holding the meeting in tunisia is more than practical,
it's a tour de force statement due to the events of this spring.
It's good marketing plain and simple.

However, Samir's behavior lends more space for ridicule instead of
internal camaraderie and a disability to show unity and strength
outwardly.

The personal attacks on Lola, the behavior shown in this thread and
many others are in formal organizations unlike ppi grounds for a
negative dismissal with prejudice of the person responsible, this. Is
also my recommendation.

Regards,
Robert Berencreuz

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On 21 dec 2011, at 23:46, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got to say, of all the emails and recriminations, I've seen,
> Brendan's makes the most sense.
>
> I think a big part of the issue comes down to the actions of the
> Board, specifically, the co-Chairmen, since we have two of them.
> Except we don't, because one quit, and very little notice was made of
> this. The point in my last email was that we now have four board
> members, we elected 7, and yet there's been NO push notice to the
> list. The only way you'd know is if you went hunting for the
> information yourself, and why would you do that unless you already
> knew? Here, Samir, you really have no grounds to complain, since we
> talked about this VERY issue almost a year ago, with Gregory, and we
> BOTH criticised him heavily for his method of notifications, which
> consisted of a small section of a wiki page on a larger topic, hiding
> the issue in amongst the rest of things.
>
> Here's the biggest problem, that I for one was unaware that
> nominations for locations was open, OR closed. Because this list,
> arguably the most public way to notify everyone, was never used. If I
> don't know, I can't talk to people about it. I can't encourage people,
> or offer help and advice with hosting.
>
> What we don't know, we can't help fix. That's the biggest problem.
>
> And unfortunately, Samir as (the one remaining) Co-chairman, it would
> be your responsibility to make us aware, to keep us all informed. You
> failed to do your job, so we couldn't do ours, and the result was the
> location choice.
>
> I'm not happy about it myself, but the situation is of your making
> Samir, at least in part. Personally, if I'd been aware of the dates
> and the submissions to-date (instead of them just being hidden away on
> the wiki (the equivalent of hiding the notice in the bottom of a
> locked filing cabinet in a disused bathroom with a sign on the door
> saying 'beware of the leopard')
>
> Had I known of how things were ahead of time, I would have perhaps put
> together a proposal for a virtual meeting. Thus ensuring that instead
> of some of us being treated as 2nd class representatives and
> participants (and almost always the same group of us, considering the
> geographic proximity of location) then we would all be the same.
>
> Finally, I have real problems with anyone that's attacking people
> personally. Especially on non-relevant issues such as who is seeing
> who. It's the lowest form of muck-raking. Now, I didn't get the email
> itself (for some reason it's screwy and so some emails I haven't got)
> but really I'm disgusted. Such attacks are the sign of someone acting
> out of desperation, and I have nothing but the utmost contempt for
> anyone that stoops to those sorts of activities.
>
> PPI needs to be about doing. Right now, a lot of it has been about
> posturing, and self-promotion, or promoting European parties. It's
> main job, of facilitating communications between parties has, quite
> clearly failed. Above all else, the issue at the heart of this
> 'debate' was one where proper communication could have solved the
> issues before they started. Instead, the person who brought this
> complaint, is arguably guilty of doing the same thing that they
> accused rthe last board of doing a year ago, and who promised to
> rectify things if elected.
>
> So much for that..... Instead the Bureaucratic Process has taken over,
> instead of actual logs, we have minutes, instead of issues openly
> discussed, they're buried in said minutes, uploaded without notice.
> And so we end up at this point.
>
> The question is, where do we go from here, and how. And how do we deal
> with the multude of issues that have now been brought up?
>
> Above all though, PPI has *GOT* to start functioning like a real body,
> an international body, and not just a 'isn't Europe Great, and we love
> bureaucracy too, gosh aren't we important' kinda group, which is the
> general impression I have gotten over the past 2 years. It has to
> start actually DOING SOMETHING. First though, it has to start
> communicating, and doing so effectively. Updating a wiki-page is NOT
> communicating, and never has been, It's record-keeping at best,
> nothing more.
>
> Finally, I'd like to point out one more thing.
> I'm aware of at least two different members of the press on this list,
> there may be more. The decision to air personal grievances and
> personal attacks is not only stupid beyond belief, but showing a high
> level of incompetency, and a disregard for the purposes of the list. I
> don't think anyone here tolerates it. To attempt to claim the moral
> high ground though, when you are a primary cause of what you're
> railing against, publicly, that's absolutely inexcusable, and shows a
> complete lack of accountability. Considering that a large part of our
> stance in general is about accountability, then the wisdom of having
> such a person in a leadership role of any kind is one we should all
> think hard about.
>
> Andrew
> (who is not at home, which is why this email is NOT signed)
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