[pp.int.general] Filing charges against the board of PPI regarding the next GA Location.

[Robert Renling Berencreuz]

First and foremost conversations happen between individuals, it's our
primary way of communication.
Communication is essential to understanding one another.
Now the title of this email thread begins with "filing charges(...)"
On what basis?
The merit of holding the meeting in tunisia is more than practical,
it's a tour de force statement due to the events of this spring.
It's good marketing plain and simple.

However, Samir's behavior lends more space for ridicule instead of
internal camaraderie and a disability to show unity and strength
outwardly.

The personal attacks on Lola, the behavior shown in this thread and
many others are in formal organizations unlike ppi grounds for a
negative dismissal with prejudice of the person responsible, this. Is
also my recommendation.

Regards,
Robert Berencreuz

Sent from my iPhone

On 21 dec 2011, at 23:46, Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com> wrote:

I've got to say, of all the emails and recriminations, I've seen,

Brendan's makes the most sense.


I think a big part of the issue comes down to the actions of the

Board, specifically, the co-Chairmen, since we have two of them.

Except we don't, because one quit, and very little notice was made of

this. The point in my last email was that we now have four board

members, we elected 7, and yet there's been NO push notice to the

list. The only way you'd know is if you went hunting for the

information yourself, and why would you do that unless you already

knew? Here, Samir, you really have no grounds to complain, since we

talked about this VERY issue almost a year ago, with Gregory, and we

BOTH criticised him heavily for his method of notifications, which

consisted of a small section of a wiki page on a larger topic, hiding

the issue in amongst the rest of things.


Here's the biggest problem, that I for one was unaware that

nominations for locations was open, OR closed. Because this list,

arguably the most public way to notify everyone, was never used. If I

don't know, I can't talk to people about it. I can't encourage people,

or offer help and advice with hosting.


What we don't know, we can't help fix. That's the biggest problem.


And unfortunately, Samir as (the one remaining) Co-chairman, it would

be your responsibility to make us aware, to keep us all informed. You

failed to do your job, so we couldn't do ours, and the result was the

location choice.


I'm not happy about it myself, but the situation is of your making

Samir, at least in part. Personally, if I'd been aware of the dates

and the submissions to-date (instead of them just being hidden away on

the wiki (the equivalent of hiding the notice in the bottom of a

locked filing cabinet in a disused bathroom with a sign on the door

saying 'beware of the leopard')


Had I known of how things were ahead of time, I would have perhaps put

together a proposal for a virtual meeting. Thus ensuring that instead

of some of us being treated as 2nd class representatives and

participants (and almost always the same group of us, considering the

geographic proximity of location) then we would all be the same.


Finally, I have real problems with anyone that's attacking people

personally. Especially on non-relevant issues such as who is seeing

who. It's the lowest form of muck-raking. Now, I didn't get the email

itself (for some reason it's screwy and so some emails I haven't got)

but really I'm disgusted. Such attacks are the sign of someone acting

out of desperation, and I have nothing but the utmost contempt for

anyone that stoops to those sorts of activities.


PPI needs to be about doing. Right now, a lot of it has been about

posturing, and self-promotion, or promoting European parties. It's

main job, of facilitating communications between parties has, quite

clearly failed. Above all else, the issue at the heart of this

'debate' was one where proper communication could have solved the

issues before they started. Instead, the person who brought this

complaint, is arguably guilty of doing the same thing that they

accused rthe last board of doing a year ago, and who promised to

rectify things if elected.


So much for that..... Instead the Bureaucratic Process has taken over,

instead of actual logs, we have minutes, instead of issues openly

discussed, they're buried in said minutes, uploaded without notice.

And so we end up at this point.


The question is, where do we go from here, and how. And how do we deal

with the multude of issues that have now been brought up?


Above all though, PPI has *GOT* to start functioning like a real body,

an international body, and not just a 'isn't Europe Great, and we love

bureaucracy too, gosh aren't we important' kinda group, which is the

general impression I have gotten over the past 2 years. It has to

start actually DOING SOMETHING. First though, it has to start

communicating, and doing so effectively. Updating a wiki-page is NOT

communicating, and never has been, It's record-keeping at best,

nothing more.


Finally, I'd like to point out one more thing.

I'm aware of at least two different members of the press on this list,

there may be more. The decision to air personal grievances and

personal attacks is not only stupid beyond belief, but showing a high

level of incompetency, and a disregard for the purposes of the list. I

don't think anyone here tolerates it. To attempt to claim the moral

high ground though, when you are a primary cause of what you're

railing against, publicly, that's absolutely inexcusable, and shows a

complete lack of accountability. Considering that a large part of our

stance in general is about accountability, then the wisdom of having

such a person in a leadership role of any kind is one we should all

think hard about.


Andrew

(who is not at home, which is why this email is NOT signed)

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