[pp.int.general] Love and Solidarity to our Tunisian Brothers and Sisters

Sat Jan 15 05:16:24 CET 2011

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On 1/14/2011 10:45 PM, Rodrigo dA wrote:
> Andrew, nice memory you have :)

I've read the mars series at least once a year since 97. in 98 it was a
toss-up between going to the first Battlebots, or the first Mars Society
convention in Colorado (their plans were using the mars books as a
basis), as Mars colonisation was my original plan (first degree
robotics, second astrophysics) So I know the books backwards. And I was
at a special event when Antartica came out, due to my links with the
BSSF back then

> Jack, you're right, it doesn't imply it, i wasn't going for that, i was
> just questioning
> the value of being serious. Why do we have to play the good old
> politician to make
> changes?

Well, you can use the UK as an example. The Monster Raving Looney party
tried the whole 'social revolution' tack, it didn't work. Ok some of
their 'loony' policies got enacted 10-15 years later (like compulsory
seat belt wearing) but not because of the parties, because of the
advance of science.

You have to use what's there, the levers that the system has in place.
You could take those levers and arrange flowers, or hit people over the
head with them sure, but it won't get the job done in the end. We may
have to modify the levers (make them longer) or move them about a bit,
but unless we use them, we'll just be wasting our time and energy.

> I think the pirate movement is bigger than politics, is somewhat of a
> cultural revolution.
> 
Right, it's about information distribution, a bit like Audi's Vorsprung
durch Technik ethos. Mass information manipulation and distribution,
which wasn't available in the past. In the mid-80s, it would take me
almost 5 minutes to load in a word processor into my computer, then
another minute to load in the document by tape. By disc it was quicker,
but still hard to work on things, no copy and paste or alt+tab-ing.
Compare that to right now, when I have 7 text documents open, 150 tabs
(god bless Opera, try THAT on friedfox) half a dosen IM windows, my
email client and 25 different IRC channels (and #PPI is looking quite
sparse these days) Even the mid 90s, I would hesitate breaking out
Deluxe Paint 3 to create a diagram, because it was complex and annoying
- - I can crate a diagram these days in less than an hour now (such as a
flowchart on lucidchart, like the one here
http://ktetch.blogspot.com/2011/01/where-torrents-infringe.html)

The kind of cultural revolution Jay seems to be going for (and this is
from a year of having to deal with him) has already been and gone. It
was the Punk/anarchist movement in the 80s. Sometimes, I even wonder if
he's acting out a caricature of Rick from The Young Ones
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Ones_(TV_series)#Rick) The past
is the past, let's work to the future.

Andrew

> -rodrigo
>> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 03:29:05 +0000
>> From: m2ys4u at gmail.com
>> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Love and Solidarity to our Tunisian
> Brothers and Sisters
>>
>> That's somewhat of a false dichotomy. Being serious does not imply
>> stealing, violating human rights and ignoring those whom we represent.
>>
>> Having not read any Kim Stanley Robinson novels, I can't really comment
>> on that, but decentralisation also does not imply anarchy.
>>
>> --
>> Jack Allnutt (PPUK)
>>
>> On 15/01/2011 03:07, Rodrigo dA wrote:
>> > Nay, old parties were serious, top-down, hierarchical movements, and
>> > their seriousness
>> > didn't prevent them from stealing, violating human rights and ignoring
>> > the people they
>> > were supposed to represent.
>> > The way i get pirate movements is playful, horizontal and decentralized.
>> > Like in those
>> > Kim Stanley Robinson novels.
>> >
>> > -rodrigo
>> >> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 03:03:03 +0000
>> >> From: m2ys4u at gmail.com
>> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Love and Solidarity to our Tunisian
>> > Brothers and Sisters
>> >>
>> >> I sincerely hope not.
>> >>
>> >> Pirates are not "the youth gone wild". We're supposed to be a serious
>> >> political movement not a bunch of anarchistic teenagers sitting at
> their
>> >> computers raging at the grown-up world.
>> >>
>> >> We're going to get nowhere if that's your frame of mind and/or the
> image
>> >> you put across.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jack Allnutt (PPUK)
>> >>
>> >> On 15/01/2011 02:52, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>> >> > I like it!
>> >> >
>> >> > Can be reproduce your text? :D If so, this can be a good starting
> point
>> >> > for a joint-PP's-PR we will produce for next monday.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 15/01/11 03:36, Rodrigo dA wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> +1
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:34:51 -0500
>> >> >> From: jemers2 at gmail.com
>> >> >> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>> >> >> Subject: [pp.int.general] Love and Solidarity to our Tunisian
>> > Brothers and Sisters
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pirates and non-pirates alike, we are the youth gone wild. May all
>> > tyrants of the world who rule with an iron fist rusting on their thrones
>> > take notice. Your end is near.
>> >> >> Jay Emerson
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Administrative Officer
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pirate Party of New York
>> >> >>
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