[pp.int.general] Media and record labels are in the same fucked up boat

[Victor Love]

Yep i know what you mean. Infact basically our model is not just a model
against standard industry. We want it to be received as an alternative
model. Even cause there's probably no way to current corporate businness to
change idea about what has been their source of profits for years. In the
indie-underground businness there are magazines that survive just cause
labels buy-out stocks of advertisments in change of stocks of interviews,
cover stories etc and then they can fill these "slots" as they prefer. They
call it "label filter". To me it sounds not that different from corruption
and corporate scam. So you can't expect these magazines to support something
that would totally destroy this kind of structure.

2011/3/15 Brendan Molloy <brendanmolloy at pirateparty.org.au>

> Yeah, but I'm sure as all Pirate parties have found out over time, there's
> a certain positive way to word things that always gets a positive response,
> as opposed to wording that can seem aggressive to some. Our major word
> shifting is like turning "internet filtering" into "internet censorship"
> which infuriates the Government because it shows it in a negative light,
> because, it is exactly what it is. You have to play by the media's rules,
> basically.
>
> On 15 March 2011 22:37, Victor Love <info at victorlove.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Brendan. You are right, even though that was just a way to cut it
>> short. For example on our website manifesto there is nothing like that.
>> Pro-piracy is just to mean we believe file sharing is not an issue but a
>> value. However Music magazines should be interested and promote new systems
>> for music instead of censoring them cause they clash with their profits.
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/15 Brendan Molloy <brendanmolloy at pirateparty.org.au>
>>
>>> Perhaps you need to market yourself a little better. Say you support
>>> "file sharing culture" and you reject the concept of 'intellectual
>>> property', and run from there. Or at least, instead of saying "pro-piracy",
>>> say "a model that is directly supported and enhanced by file sharing". It's
>>> all about the delivery.
>>>
>>> On 15 March 2011 20:45, Victor Love <info at victorlove.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Below you have a clear example about how media and music industry is
>>>> totally fucked up.
>>>> They refused to publish a news about an alternative model for music
>>>> cause it states "pro-piracy". Something you'd not expect by an independent
>>>> journalist.
>>>>
>>>> Reasons IMO (by direct experience in this businness since '98):
>>>> 1) they fear to lose their pre-scheduled articles, interviews etc they
>>>> usually sell in change of advertisements bought by labels
>>>> 2) they know that piracy is making useless their role of "suggesting"
>>>> music simply cause people don't give a fuck about reviews when they can
>>>> listen to it directly on the web
>>>> 3) There are some magazines that are run directly by record labels
>>>> 4) They just can't realize the entire world is changing around them and
>>>> there's a new generation of pirates that is gonna take over very soon ;)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> Dope Stars Inc.
>>>> www.dopestarsinc.com
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Side-Line Magazine <info at side-line.com>
>>>> Date: 2011/3/14
>>>> Subject: Re: Pro-Piracy model for music
>>>> To: Victor Love <dopestarsincmail at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> This news will not be included on Side-Line for the following reason:
>>>> you called it 'pro piracy'.
>>>>
>>>> No offense, have fun!
>>>>
>>>> Bernard
>>>> Chief Editor
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Victor Love <
>>>> dopestarsincmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > News press - Pro-Piracy model for music
>>>> > We have released a pro-piracy model for music and getting a great
>>>> feedback
>>>> > already from Pirate Parties (France, Switzerland, Germany & Sweden so
>>>> far).
>>>> > Below you can find a short summary and links for full story translated
>>>> in 11
>>>> > languages.
>>>> > Please send your feedback and feel free to spread and forward.
>>>> > Full story and details our website:  http://www.dopestarsinc.com
>>>> > Article/Interview with NZZ.CH <http://nzz.ch/> - Most influent
>>>> National Newspaper in
>>>> > Switzerland
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.nzz.ch/magazin/digital/victor_love_dope_stars_inc_1.9849991.html
>>>>  (Deutsch)
>>>> >
>>>> > Article/Interview with Pirate Party CH:
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.denissimonet.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Interview-DSI1.pdf
>>>>  (English)
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.denissimonet.ch/2011/03/10/die-leere-cd-als-geschaftsmodell-der-zukunft
>>>>  (Deutsch)
>>>> > Pro Piracy Model summary
>>>> > Short summary of our pro-piracy model: Ultrawired will be distributed
>>>> with a
>>>> > pro-piracy model, available for FREE download (mp3, wav, ISO) and
>>>> spread
>>>> > over every network (website, social, youtube, torrent, rapishare). NO
>>>> Record
>>>> > label has been involved=everything is produced with band's direct
>>>> effort. We
>>>> > let the fans decide how to support us among multiple options. 1st
>>>> level:
>>>> > donations, flattr, bitcoins, pay with a tweet, share, promote, youtip.
>>>> 2nd
>>>> > level: purchasing cds and merchandise directly from the band online.
>>>> We
>>>> > provide also a low cost ed. called D.I.Y. edition with full artwork
>>>> but the
>>>> > cd inside is empty. Once released the fan can download the album and
>>>> burn
>>>> > it, still keeping the original packaging and cdlay graphics. Reducing
>>>> costs
>>>> > the cd is sold at 4€ + shipping. 3rd level: the Ketaware program. Fans
>>>> can
>>>> > buy stocks of cds to redistribute them. Doing so they get a fair share
>>>> (from
>>>> > 1.5€ up to 4.7€) & earn special points to get free backstage access,
>>>> > customized merch and more. More details on our website.
>>>> > Full model details available in 11 languages:
>>>> > English - http://piratepad.net/MxBAUNWe9d
>>>> > Russian - http://piratepad.net/4K65DtWzMK
>>>> > Italiano - http://piratepad.net/ou8bZCuZus
>>>> > Español - http://piratepad.net/OCQzc7Y3QZ
>>>> > Portuguese - http://piratepad.net/RmA2HeEWp3
>>>> > French - http://piratepad.net/RX0XE15Tkr
>>>> > Deutsch - http://piratepad.net/BOzxDkJkbu
>>>> > Slovak - http://piratepad.net/OtcWJgPWgh
>>>> > Hungarian - http://piratepad.net/gssq3gO5uU
>>>> > Polish - http://piratepad.net/FfvL7mIqyd
>>>> > Japanese - http://piratepad.net/SbNP5POaiK
>>>> >
>>>> > Links
>>>> > Website: http://www.dopestarsinc.com
>>>> > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dopestarsinc
>>>> > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dopestarsinc
>>>> > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/dopestarsinc
>>>> > Flattr:
>>>> https://flattr.com/thing/132569/Dope-Stars-Inc-Ultrawired-Pirate-Ketaware-for-the-TLC-generation
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Brendan Molloy
>>> Pirate Party Australia
>>>
>>> M: +61 434 069 776
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Brendan Molloy
> Pirate Party Australia
>
> M: +61 434 069 776
>
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