[pp.int.general] Media and record labels are in the same fucked up boat

[Brendan Molloy]

Nope. They are often complicit to the very actions we're against. Nobody
said it would be easy :)

On 15 March 2011 23:02, Victor Love <info at victorlove.com> wrote:

> Yep i know what you mean. Infact basically our model is not just a model
> against standard industry. We want it to be received as an alternative
> model. Even cause there's probably no way to current corporate businness to
> change idea about what has been their source of profits for years. In the
> indie-underground businness there are magazines that survive just cause
> labels buy-out stocks of advertisments in change of stocks of interviews,
> cover stories etc and then they can fill these "slots" as they prefer. They
> call it "label filter". To me it sounds not that different from corruption
> and corporate scam. So you can't expect these magazines to support something
> that would totally destroy this kind of structure.
>
> 2011/3/15 Brendan Molloy <brendanmolloy at pirateparty.org.au>
>
>> Yeah, but I'm sure as all Pirate parties have found out over time, there's
>> a certain positive way to word things that always gets a positive response,
>> as opposed to wording that can seem aggressive to some. Our major word
>> shifting is like turning "internet filtering" into "internet censorship"
>> which infuriates the Government because it shows it in a negative light,
>> because, it is exactly what it is. You have to play by the media's rules,
>> basically.
>>
>> On 15 March 2011 22:37, Victor Love <info at victorlove.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brendan. You are right, even though that was just a way to cut it
>>> short. For example on our website manifesto there is nothing like that.
>>> Pro-piracy is just to mean we believe file sharing is not an issue but a
>>> value. However Music magazines should be interested and promote new systems
>>> for music instead of censoring them cause they clash with their profits.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/15 Brendan Molloy <brendanmolloy at pirateparty.org.au>
>>>
>>>> Perhaps you need to market yourself a little better. Say you support
>>>> "file sharing culture" and you reject the concept of 'intellectual
>>>> property', and run from there. Or at least, instead of saying "pro-piracy",
>>>> say "a model that is directly supported and enhanced by file sharing". It's
>>>> all about the delivery.
>>>>
>>>> On 15 March 2011 20:45, Victor Love <info at victorlove.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Below you have a clear example about how media and music industry is
>>>>> totally fucked up.
>>>>> They refused to publish a news about an alternative model for music
>>>>> cause it states "pro-piracy". Something you'd not expect by an independent
>>>>> journalist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reasons IMO (by direct experience in this businness since '98):
>>>>> 1) they fear to lose their pre-scheduled articles, interviews etc they
>>>>> usually sell in change of advertisements bought by labels
>>>>> 2) they know that piracy is making useless their role of "suggesting"
>>>>> music simply cause people don't give a fuck about reviews when they can
>>>>> listen to it directly on the web
>>>>> 3) There are some magazines that are run directly by record labels
>>>>> 4) They just can't realize the entire world is changing around them and
>>>>> there's a new generation of pirates that is gonna take over very soon ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> Dope Stars Inc.
>>>>> www.dopestarsinc.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Side-Line Magazine <info at side-line.com>
>>>>> Date: 2011/3/14
>>>>> Subject: Re: Pro-Piracy model for music
>>>>> To: Victor Love <dopestarsincmail at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> This news will not be included on Side-Line for the following reason:
>>>>> you called it 'pro piracy'.
>>>>>
>>>>> No offense, have fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernard
>>>>> Chief Editor
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Victor Love <
>>>>> dopestarsincmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > News press - Pro-Piracy model for music
>>>>> > We have released a pro-piracy model for music and getting a great
>>>>> feedback
>>>>> > already from Pirate Parties (France, Switzerland, Germany & Sweden so
>>>>> far).
>>>>> > Below you can find a short summary and links for full story
>>>>> translated in 11
>>>>> > languages.
>>>>> > Please send your feedback and feel free to spread and forward.
>>>>> > Full story and details our website:  http://www.dopestarsinc.com
>>>>> > Article/Interview with NZZ.CH <http://nzz.ch/> - Most influent
>>>>> National Newspaper in
>>>>> > Switzerland
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.nzz.ch/magazin/digital/victor_love_dope_stars_inc_1.9849991.html
>>>>>  (Deutsch)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Article/Interview with Pirate Party CH:
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.denissimonet.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Interview-DSI1.pdf
>>>>>  (English)
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.denissimonet.ch/2011/03/10/die-leere-cd-als-geschaftsmodell-der-zukunft
>>>>>  (Deutsch)
>>>>> > Pro Piracy Model summary
>>>>> > Short summary of our pro-piracy model: Ultrawired will be distributed
>>>>> with a
>>>>> > pro-piracy model, available for FREE download (mp3, wav, ISO) and
>>>>> spread
>>>>> > over every network (website, social, youtube, torrent, rapishare). NO
>>>>> Record
>>>>> > label has been involved=everything is produced with band's direct
>>>>> effort. We
>>>>> > let the fans decide how to support us among multiple options. 1st
>>>>> level:
>>>>> > donations, flattr, bitcoins, pay with a tweet, share, promote,
>>>>> youtip. 2nd
>>>>> > level: purchasing cds and merchandise directly from the band online.
>>>>> We
>>>>> > provide also a low cost ed. called D.I.Y. edition with full artwork
>>>>> but the
>>>>> > cd inside is empty. Once released the fan can download the album and
>>>>> burn
>>>>> > it, still keeping the original packaging and cdlay graphics. Reducing
>>>>> costs
>>>>> > the cd is sold at 4€ + shipping. 3rd level: the Ketaware program.
>>>>> Fans can
>>>>> > buy stocks of cds to redistribute them. Doing so they get a fair
>>>>> share (from
>>>>> > 1.5€ up to 4.7€) & earn special points to get free backstage access,
>>>>> > customized merch and more. More details on our website.
>>>>> > Full model details available in 11 languages:
>>>>> > English - http://piratepad.net/MxBAUNWe9d
>>>>> > Russian - http://piratepad.net/4K65DtWzMK
>>>>> > Italiano - http://piratepad.net/ou8bZCuZus
>>>>> > Español - http://piratepad.net/OCQzc7Y3QZ
>>>>> > Portuguese - http://piratepad.net/RmA2HeEWp3
>>>>> > French - http://piratepad.net/RX0XE15Tkr
>>>>> > Deutsch - http://piratepad.net/BOzxDkJkbu
>>>>> > Slovak - http://piratepad.net/OtcWJgPWgh
>>>>> > Hungarian - http://piratepad.net/gssq3gO5uU
>>>>> > Polish - http://piratepad.net/FfvL7mIqyd
>>>>> > Japanese - http://piratepad.net/SbNP5POaiK
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Links
>>>>> > Website: http://www.dopestarsinc.com
>>>>> > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dopestarsinc
>>>>> > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dopestarsinc
>>>>> > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/dopestarsinc
>>>>> > Flattr:
>>>>> https://flattr.com/thing/132569/Dope-Stars-Inc-Ultrawired-Pirate-Ketaware-for-the-TLC-generation
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Brendan Molloy
>>>> Pirate Party Australia
>>>>
>>>> M: +61 434 069 776
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Brendan Molloy
>> Pirate Party Australia
>>
>> M: +61 434 069 776
>>
>
>


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Regards,
Brendan Molloy
Pirate Party Australia

M: +61 434 069 776
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