[pp.int.general] Petition: End the War on Drugs

[Ray076NL]

we got drugs legalisation in our party program in the netherlands.
politicians should understand that drugs only becomes a problem if: 
someone uses to much, but if its legalised the government could help 
those people on-time, instead of putting them in jail. or if neighboring 
countries havent legalised softdrugs (yet), which is the problem in the 
border region in the Netherlands, the people themselves are the cause of 
the problem since i think the only problem with those tourists is their 
drivingstyle as in speeding and driving whilst just having used drugs. 
and generally being threathening to others (doesnt even have to be 
litterally, but just how others feel about them.)

I think the big problem is the illegal drugstrade, and not so much that 
it is illegal, but those people have a lack of respect for other human 
beings. now we do have coffeeshops (drugsstores) i dont hear many 
complaints about those, it are mostly the people from outside our 
country that are causing problems, just a little very specific group, 
about 1% of the people comming in those shops.
The problems we now face with people using drugs would be for 90% gone 
if it became legalised, but then again, it has to be legalised in more 
countries than just ours. part of the legalisation should be that the 
government would offer help to those who are addicted. In my opinion 
alcohol is a drug aswell, it messes with peoples heads, but nobody seems 
to care about that since everybody drinks, whilst the effects, in my 
opinion, might be even more awefull than a simple smoke.
I dont drink much (a few glasses a month), I dont use drugs, but i think 
that people should have the liberty of making their own choices, aslong 
as they do not harm or threaten others.
It was the same with gay marriage, just because youre against it doesnt 
mean it has to be forbidden, you just should keep your fucking mouth 
shut and let them be, you dont have to be friends with them.

In my opinion anyone who is making the world unsafe for others, e.g. 
drinking and driving, using drugs and driving, killing people because 
they couldnt give you drugs, should be punnished with jailsentence, i 
mean using alcohol and/or drugs is fine, but being a threat to others 
isnt. this also goes for anything else, like putting a bullet through 
someones head is not being polite.
for me harddrugs still should be banned and softdrugs legalised, 
especially the growing and selling of them.

Young people using drugs should be helped, I sometimes hear stories of 
all young people from a village using drugs, then there's obviously 
something wrong, right?

I'd like to hear from others if they have other opinions.
Raymond van Vugt (PPNL)



On 31-5-2011 19:41, Giulio Prisco wrote:
> Done. I also wish to note that imo drug liberalization should be
> formally included in the programs of Pirate Parties. The PP has been
> criticized for being a single-issue party. Drug liberalization is very
> much in line with the spirit of the PP, or at least with my own spirit
> in joining it.
>
> Of course Ryan is right. The UN has LESS power than a half-dead
> flashlight, because because being powerless it is also actively
> boycotted (behind lip service) by nation states. But, wtf, this is
> better than nothing, and by all means let's target also national
> governments.
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Ryan Moffitt<ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> I'll be looking forward to the non-binding resolution that nobody will
>> listen to. Fact is the UN has about as much power as a half-dead flashlight.
>> Your efforts are more effective targeting your local elected governments.
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 09:52, Pat Maechler v/o Valio<pirate at valio.ch>
>> wrote:
>>> Dear pirates,
>>>
>>> I would like to bring your attention to a petition by the avaaz network
>>> that is in its last 72 hours and calls to a worldwide change in drug
>>> policies
>>>
>>> http://www.avaaz.org/en/end_the_war_on_drugs/
>>>
>>> The signatures shall be handed over to the UN general secretary
>>> As a reminder: The UNODC which is part of the UNO is capable of very
>>> democratic discussions on the actual issue [/irony]
>>> http://drogriporter.hu/en/node/929
>>>
>>> I know that this is not a core pirate issue ('though some parties do have
>>> drug policies in their programs), but I see still a lot of parallels between
>>> the War on Piracy and the War on Drugs.
>>>
>>> You're free to discuss the issue at hand, but I'm currently cluttered with
>>> work, so don't expect me to reply very soon ;-)
>>>
>>> Further sources (taken from the Avaaz mail):
>>> ---snip---
>>> Reports that show the war on drugs has failed:
>>> http://idpc.net/publications/failure-regime-selected-publications
>>>
>>> Reports that show alternative approaches of decriminalisation and
>>> regulation are working:
>>> http://idpc.net/publications/alternative-strategies-selected-publications
>>>
>>> General report on drug law reform in practice:
>>> http://www.tni.org/report/legislative-innovation-drug-policy
>>>
>>> The Global Comission on Drug Policy that will call on the UN to end the
>>> war on drugs
>>> http://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/Documents.aspx
>>>
>>> Drug War by the Numbers
>>> http://www.drugpolicy.org/facts/drug-war-numbers
>>>
>>> Final Report of the Latin American Comission on Drugs and Democracy
>>> http://www.drogasedemocracia.org/English/Destaques.asp?IdRegistro=8
>>> ---/snip---
>>>
>>> regards
>>> -pat
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Moffitt
>> ryan.m.moffitt at gmail.com
>>
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