[pp.int.general] [Pp-leaders.discussion] EU: ESM-treaty

[Jouni Snellman]

The EFSF is a stupid idea. The EU is a good one, but then again, it is
based on the ideas of freedom and democracy.

The EFSF takes taxpayers´ money out of the reach of taxpayers´ democratic
control mechanisms. Concentration of power in the hands of non-elected
officials will sooner or later result in a revolution. Let´s hope that
things will not turn violent.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Amelia Andersdotter <teirdes at gmail.com>wrote:

>  The EFSF is a good thing :)
>
> One of the problems in the eurozone is that the eurozone can't handle so
> called "asymmetrical crises" (crises that hit only one or a few parts of
> the union, say, Greece or Portugal). Such an asymmetrical crisis could
> happen if, for example, there was a big dip in world agricultural product
> prices (like wine and meat - that would strike hard against Spain) or, say,
> highly specialised designer goods (mostly Italy). "Asymmetrical" refers to
> the fact that the crisis does not affect the entire eurozone equally.
>
> When only one part of the eurozone is affected by a crisis with subsequent
> loss of job opportunities and economic growth, while the relative strength
> of their currency (how much commodities cost) are determined by the
> successes of parts of the eurozone not in a crisis it means that people who
> would have ordinariy been a bit poor, end up very very poor since they
> basically try to survive in a "rich" country playing field on a "poor"
> country wage.
>
> This type of stabilizing fund is meant to correct that. The fund can push
> money into "poor" regions while their crisis sorts out. The other (and much
> better) alterantive could be to increase the European Union budget which is
> currently 5% of EU GDP to maybe 40-50% of the EU GDP. In the US, for
> instance, the federal government sometimes uses sums up to 40% of the
> federal GDP can be used only to stabilize economies when crises such as the
> above described occur in some part of the US.
>
> Polemically, maybe the EU wasn't such a good idea. The EU, this emailing
> list and other cross-border contacts should be immediately closed.
> Travelling outside Sweden without a visum - who needs it?
>
> /a
>
>
> On 05.11.2011 20:17, Core TX wrote:
>
> Blatant populism. I can make scary video as well - especially when only
> telling half the story.
>
> 2011/11/5 lilo <al3lilo at autistici.org>
>
>> from a Spanish friend:
>>
>>
>> http://www.courtfool.info/en_ESM_a_coup_d_etat_in_17_countries.htm
>>
>> URGENT !!!, SPREAD PLEASE!!!
>> - A NEW EUROPEAN TREATY HAS BEEN SIGNED 11 JULY 2011 (It hasn't appeared
>> in any paper!!! , the cunning Bildelberg...sobs!!!
>> - IF THIS TREATY GETS RATIFIED, IT IS THE END OF SOVEREIGN DEMOCRACIES
>> IN THE EUROZONE!!!
>>
>> ###########
>>
>> As indicated in the precedent article "ESM, the new European dictator" ,
>> the Ministers of Finance of the 17 euro-countries, on July 11th 2011,
>> have signed a Treaty for the Establishment of the European Stability
>> Mechanism. Its purpose it to make the citizens pay for the hundreds of
>> billions of euros that are pumped into the rescue funds to save the euro
>> and to get the national parliaments in a strangle hold.
>>
>> The signature was not noticed by the international press. Many
>> journalists still confuse this new ESM-treaty with its (illegal)
>> predecessors, the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism (EFSM) and
>> the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF). De EFSF now has a
>> lending capacity of 440 billion euros. (1.000 billion since 27 October
>> 2011.) The ESM is without limit.
>>
>> At the moment of writing this treaty still has to be ratified by the
>> national parliaments in all 17 countries, except if such has already
>> taken place silently here and there.
>>
>> For a short introduction in the ESM-treaty you can view this 3.5 minutes
>> video on YouTube:
>>
>>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxMOW94V6xQ
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~lilo~
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