[pp.int.general] 18 new MEPs to arrive next month

Francisco George francisco.george at partidopirata.es
Sun Nov 20 13:30:45 CET 2011 

Please David...UPyD is a Spanish Party as is PIRATA España or are you going
to tell US that we are Nationalist TOO?

Francisco George
PIRATA España

2011/11/18 <pp.international.general-request at lists.pirateweb.net>

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>   1. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (David Arcos)
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>      (mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se)
>   3. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (Philip Hunt)
>   4. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (Philip Hunt)
>   5. Re: Fwd: Big pharma should combat bee decline, MEPs say
>      (Pirat at LennStar.de)
>   6. Re: Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month (David Arcos)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:55:27 +0100
> From: David Arcos <david.arcos at gmail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month
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> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 3:40 AM, <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>
> wrote:
>
> > Only thing to consider here is that we should avoid
> > parties with opposing agendas to our own to avoid to much internal
> > bickering in the group, and we should also avoid all kinds of far
> > right/nationalist parties. Otherwise we'll quickly find ourselves
> > ostracized in the parliament. Current non-inscrits that could be of
> > interest in such a scenario would perhaps be the Austrian Hans-Peter
> > Martin's List *and the spanish UPyD*
> >
>
> Wrong!
> UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad *per se*, the bad
> thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the people
> wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,
> non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.
> In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona, well,
> they got less than half the votes we got.
>
> So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be PIRATA.CAT who will
> be ostracized and ridiculized :-p
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> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:59:51 +0100
> From: <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
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> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:55:27 +0100, David Arcos <david.arcos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wrong!
> > UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad *per se*, the
> bad
> > thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the
> people
> > wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,
> > non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.
> > In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona, well,
> > they got less than half the votes we got.
> >
> > So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be PIRATA.CAT who
> will
> > be ostracized and ridiculized :-p
>
> Well, you can only know so much about the political landscape in other
> countries I suppose.
>
> But perhaps I should have added that in the case of Pirate parties in the
> European parliament trying to find fringe parties to form a group with this
> should never be done without consulting the local pirate parties from the
> countries of origin of the parties we consider aligning with.
>
> /mab
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:00:36 +0000
> From: Philip Hunt <cabalamat at googlemail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month
> Message-ID:
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> On 18 November 2011 02:40,  <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se> wrote:
> >
> > The other, and perhaps somewhat trickier question, is wether or not we
> > want to form a group of our own in the EU parliament. [...]
> > And the most inportant thing: noone will be able to deny that we've
> > managed to establish ourselves as an independent and important political
> > actor on the European level.
>
> Good point. But bear in mind that we can possibly also achieve that
> recognition as part of a bigger Europeam parliament group, if that
> group has Pirate in its name. So for example, the Greens are
> recognised even though there isn't a Green group but a Green-EFA
> group.
>
> > 1) First we should try to find other parties that don't fit inte the
> > current set of political groups and see if we can combine to form a
> > political group. Only thing to consider here is that we should avoid
> > parties with opposing agendas to our own to avoid to much internal
> > bickering in the group, and we should also avoid all kinds of far
> > right/nationalist parties.
> >
> > 2) The second thing we should aim for, should we fail to form our own
> > group, is to have an existing group that we join change their name to
> > reflect our distinctiveness within the group.
>
> Either way, we should give preference to parties/groups that're
> willing to sign up to Pirate policies on copyright and patents.
>
> --
> Philip Hunt, <cabalamat at gmail.com>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:05:11 +0000
> From: Philip Hunt <cabalamat at googlemail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month
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> I've just noticed there are elections in Spain this weekend. Are
> pirates likely to win any seats?
>
> On 18 November 2011 02:55, David Arcos <david.arcos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wrong!
> > UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad per se, the bad
> > thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the people
> > wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,
> > non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.
> > In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona, well,
> > they got less than half the votes we got.
> > So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be PIRATA.CAT who
> will be
> > ostracized and?ridiculized :-p
>
>
> --
> Philip Hunt, <cabalamat at gmail.com>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:51:00 +0100
> From: "Pirat at LennStar.de" <pirat at lennstar.de>
> To: pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: Big pharma should combat bee
>        decline, MEPs say
> Message-ID: <4EC60E64.8050708 at lennstar.de>
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> The important industry we are talking about is not the honey. That's
> really only a byproduct. We are talking about half of agriculture.
> Bees do "work" in die Region of X00.000.000.000 Euro. Or to put it in
> other words: Without bees half of the earth population, if not more,
> would not have anything to eat! The other insects are not able to do the
> needed pollination.
>
> LennStar
>
> Am 17.11.2011 22:23, schrieb Amelia Andersdotter:
> > commercial background:
> >
> > The EU is the world's third largest producer of honey (through
> > beekeeping), and domestic production accounts for approx 50% of its
> > domestic consumption.[1] So this is a quite important industry we're
> > talking about for Europe, and the European food industry (we consume,
> > and produce a lot of it).
> >
> > The pharmaceutical industry is already offered incentives for the
> > development of new medicinal products through patents. The only thing
> > that I can think of that isn't the same for medicinal products for
> > animals and for humans is the patenting of second indications for
> > certain drugs.
> >
> > I would assume it has more to do with tax cuts or so, although I can
> > imagine research money from the Commission being put into this field as
> > well, in so called "public-private partnerships" the revenues of which
> > may well end up in IP rights. In Europe, drugs for both humans and
> > animals - especially animals used to produce stuff that is to be
> > consumed by humans - are subject to very extensive clinical tests. One
> > can imagine that slightly laxer testing methods would be an incentive.
> >
> > [1] http://www.uco.es/dptos/zoologia/Apicultura/euroapi_botton.htm
> >
> > On 16.11.2011 22:02, Sina Amoor Pour wrote:
> >> From the article:
> >>
> >> "The resolution also stresses the "need to offer the pharmaceutical
> >> industry incentives for the development of new medicinal products
> >> designed to combat bee diseases.?"
> >>
> >> What kind of incentives? If this word is not defined it will probably
> >> be interpreted at "more patents".
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Amelia Andersdotter
> >> <teirdes at gmail.com <mailto:teirdes at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     yeah, let's fight!
> >>
> >>     -------- Original Message --------
> >>     Subject:         Big pharma should combat bee decline, MEPs say
> >>     Date:    Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:45:01 +0100 (CET)
> >>     From:    News from EUobserver.com
> >>     <news-twice-daily at list.euobserver.com>
> >>     <mailto:news-twice-daily at list.euobserver.com>
> >>     To:      teirdes at gmail.com <mailto:teirdes at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     ***** THE NEWS
> *************************************************************
> >>
> >>     1. Big pharma should combat bee decline, MEPs say - 16/11/2011
> 09:58:35
> >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>     The European Parliament has called on the pharmaceutical industry
> to play a
> >>     role in finding a solution to halt the rapid decline of the honey
> bee.
> >>
> >>     http://euobserver.com/885/114294
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:09:34 +0100
> From: David Arcos <david.arcos at gmail.com>
> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
>        <pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: 18 new MEPs to arrive next month
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> We hope to get 1 or 2 from Barcelona, but it's very difficult.
>
> There is a youtube channel, http://www.youtube.com/elecciones2011
> Go for the most visited videos ("Lo m?s visto"), look who is first ;)
>
> Wednesday we got Trending Topic with #votopirata in Spain.
> Today we are trying it again: should you want to help, use #20Npirata from
> 16:00. Follow @partit_pirata, we sill warn everybody :)
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Philip Hunt <cabalamat at googlemail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I've just noticed there are elections in Spain this weekend. Are
> > pirates likely to win any seats?
> >
> > On 18 November 2011 02:55, David Arcos <david.arcos at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wrong!
> > > UPyD is a right-wing, nationalist party. That's nod bad per se, the bad
> > > thing is that they are ultra-populist: they will tell whatever the
> people
> > > wants to hear. And they lie a lot (they said they were left-wing,
> > > non-nationalistic), they have contradictions in their own program, etc.
> > > In some parts of Spain, they are accepted and voted. In Barcelona,
> well,
> > > they got less than half the votes we got.
> > > So please don't try to combine with them, or it'll be PIRATA.CAT who
> > will be
> > > ostracized and ridiculized :-p
> >
> >
> > --
> > Philip Hunt, <cabalamat at gmail.com>
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk
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