[pp.int.general] PP-ES Board statement - About Choms who insists in accusing PP-ES in the PPI list.

[Samir ALLIOUI]

Like a Sir! 

On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:26 PM, <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:

> Ya the old dillemma, do you want a bunch of stuffy board members who
> bother to write a long email in semi-legaleze or some guy who has far too
> much to proof to ever be an effective team player? How about you both stfu
> and settle this as gentlemen in an honest sabre duel.
> 
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:19:00 +0200, Choms <choms at botmania.net> wrote:
>> Always the same lies, most of those points are rebated on the pastebin
> that
>> probably members of PPES reported to get deleted, and now its uploaded
> on
>> my own server at botmania.net/rs.txt so I won't rebate them again.
>> 
>> If any particular member has any particular question I'll answer it
> without
>> problem.
>> 
>> I have proofs of absolutely all statements I say, and I have no problems
>> with sharing it deleting all personal data susceptible of spanish
>> legislation, I've always defended transparency.
>> 
>> But the only point I'm not going to allow is the one who say that I've
> been
>> one year "fucking up" the party, because in the last year I've done more
>> than the most of PPES members, the fact is actually PPES have a working
>> infrastructure because I configured the servers and services.
>> 
>> But well, what can I expect from the PPES board? obviously they will
> always
>> defend their territory even if it imply lying or deleting party's
> members.
>> On Apr 4, 2012 6:57 PM, "Francisco George" <francisco.george at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Pirates,
>>> 
>>> During the last weeks the mails lists of Pirata ES and PPI alike have
>>> been
>>> receiving a series of emails from ex Pirate -ES affiliate Choms (his
> real
>>> name is concealed at his request for reasons we'll explain later).
> Choms
>>> has been accusing Pirata.ES of several charges we'll don't bother to
>>> discuss in detail in the lists of PPI since they have been discussed in
>>> close detail in the lists of Spain Pirata, they are irrelevant to the
>>> PPI,
>>> and for the most part they are insubstantial, misguiding or plain
> false.
>>> 
>>> The Board of Spain Pirat would like to make a short statement
> concerning
>>> the case with this affiliate, since the moderators of the PPI lists
> seem
>>> unwilling to take any action against his trolling, and since he is
> echoed
>>> by a specific member of another Spanish Pirate Party who is trying to
>>> give
>>> credibility to any accusation made against PP-ES. We hope that this
>>> statement is enough to set the facts straight concerning this ex
>>> affiliate
>>> and his intentions towards PP-ES
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ex-Pirata affiliate Choms has been involved in most troubles inside
>>> Pirata
>>> for at least one year now, most of the times as instigator. To mention
>>> only
>>> some of them:
>>> 
>>> - In his capacity as administrator of the servers of PIRATA, he
> launched
>>> an unauthorised "official" voting to just one part of the affiliates.
>>> 
>>> - In the same capacity, he dismissed several members of his staff
> without
>>> giving any explanations for doing so.
>>> 
>>> - As administrator of the servers of PIRATA, he failed miserably to
>>> fulfill any role during several weeks before.
>>> 
>>> - As administrator of the servers of PIRATA, he discredited the voting
>>> system used for a specific question, in the middle of the voting
> process.
>>> Note that we not only encourage affiliates to report bugs in the voting
>>> systems, but are constantly improving the systems we have. We do not
>>> consider acceptable that the administrator of the servers cast doubts
>>> against the legitimacy of a on-progress vote that is using a same
> system
>>> that's been used again and again (in fact, it is the same system he
>>> himself
>>> used in his unauthorised votation, this time without objections)
>>> 
>>> - He has insulted publicly and in private most members of the current
> and
>>> the previous Board of Pirate. Please, bear in mind that we are not
>>> prickly
>>> when allowing the affiliates to express their dissatisfaction with the
>>> board. But we think that sending an email to the public lists called
> "You
>>> all are sons of bitches" in capitals, as the thread title, and directed
>>> to
>>> all the members of the board is not acceptable language (even less is
>>> acceptable behaviour to keep on the same thread for a full day.
>>> 
>>> - He has been sending letters to the lists of PPI (and now to twitter,
>>> etc) full with the grossest mistakes and contrary-to-fact stories about
>>> Spain's Pirate and his own role in the affairs. You can read all his
>>> tweets, giving his side of the stoty in twitter:
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/Choms
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Probably worst of all, for more than nine months he has been
>>> threatening
>>> several members of the current and former Board with all kind of legal
>>> suits, without giving plausible explanations. One of the legal threads
>>> was
>>> related with the use of his real name together with his nickname in a
>>> document of the party. Apparently he considers that using both
>>> designations
>>> together is a crime, in his case.
>>> 
>>> This is just a part of the claims the party have against Choms.
>>> 
>>> Now, the situation is that the Comité de Derechos y Garantías (CdDyG,
>>> the
>>> party equivalent to the Court of Arbitration) voted by majority to ask
>>> for
>>> the suspension of militancy of Choms and MissAllSunday (this is a
> person
>>> who actively stands by the side with Choms in some the mentioned doings
>>> (those not connected with his role as coordinator of the IT group), and
>>> some more of her own, and who is referred to by her nickname for the
> same
>>> reasons stated before). This decision was supported by the board (with
> no
>>> vote to the contrary) and is currently voted by the General Assembly,
>>> that
>>> means, by all the affiliates.
>>> 
>>> Shortly after hearing the decision of the CdDyG to ask for
>>> theirsuspension
>>> of militancy, Choms tried to avoid the Assembly vote by asking to
>>> temporary
>>> sign off from the party (again, you can read about Choms departure in
> his
>>> tweets). The party has decided to carry on with the votation.
>>> 
>>> Upon the CdDyG vote to suspend Choms and Diana of militancy, Choms has
>>> presented at least two legal complaints against members of the
> Directory
>>> board. The case is so weak and fanciful that we hope the court will
>>> dismiss
>>> them as soon as its considers is legal validity. We will be happy to
>>> send a
>>> copy of the denounce to the members of the PPI Board, to judge by
>>> themselves.
>>> 
>>> Now, anybody might ask us why why on Earth did the party never take
>>> official action against this persons before. We are ready to assume
> this
>>> charge, since our very inability to firmly act against the worst trolls
>>> inside the party are certainly a sign of a dysfunction of the Board in
>>> the
>>> past, but finally we are ready to correct this now.
>>> 
>>> PP-ES National Board
>>> 
>>> ____________________________________________________
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
>>> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general
>>> 
>>>