[pp.int.general] To Brendan Molloy - Childish Spaniards
brendan.molloy at pirateparty.org.au
Thu Apr 5 21:45:19 CEST 2012
Let me start by saying that if you don't believe your party can effect
change on your political system, then perhaps you're in the wrong
movement and need to step aside for a party that can. Not a good start
to a fairly inflammatory email, discounting your ability to fix a
problem citing "cultural differences".
Seeing as you're unaware, I am raising the issue with the CoA regardless
of my capacity within PPI, so this has nothing to do with my
candidature, but thanks for pulling the old school bullshit of trying to
conflate very separate issues into one in a pretty poor attempt to smear
my name and make me go away.
I tire of seeing the squabbling occurring on the PPI list. It shows a
party in turmoil. I am not the only person to ask that these discussions
stay civil or preferably not on these lists at all, but evidently, that
hasn't worked, so something needs to be done.
If it were truly a cultural issue as you say, we'd see a bunch of
Catalan squabbling and Galician squabbling as well, which we do not, so
let's not pull the culture card and pretend that we're all so very
different. It defeats the purpose of this movement.
Perhaps if you stopped to speak to me privately instead of attempting to
call me out publicly on a mailing list, you'd know I'm actually a very
caring guy who only cares about the health of this movement and have no
interest in taking sides on this issue. I am purely looking for a
solution to a problem that seems to be plaguing this movement, not
something as petty as a board candidature.
If you, or anyone for that matter, ever wishes to discuss any issues
with me, my email address is also my Jabber/GTalk address.
Gabriel Serrano wrote:
> Dear fellow Pirate Molloy,
> First of all I want to apologize like to all of you for all the noise,
> bad mood and unproductive arguing because of an internal dispute at the
> I really apreciate your interest wit your in our internal problems but
> I'd like you to remark spanish politics have been like that the last 500
> hundred years and it is probably not going to change in the following
> What can I say it lies on our culture to discuss like that.
> We all know the anglosaxon style is different, more calm and ironic, but
> so it is the caracter of the people in those countries as well. That's
> why I think you should also better show more intercultural skills and
> consider other kind of politics than yours before calling us childish so
> So please don't make the mistake of using our noisy political disussions
> for gaining points for your candidature. You already got my rejection
> with it.
> Every Pirate Party on the world has his owns internal problems. Let him
> who is without sin cast the first stone. I am sure you are not.
> Gabriel Serrano
> Coordinador Internacional
> Partido Pirata Español
> Molloys comment:
> Para Pirate Parties International -- General Talk
> I'm going to insist on some level of calm here. This is not the place
> for either party to mud-sling in the manner that has been occurring over
> the past couple of months.
> As I have made very clear, I will be making a motion that claims against
> PPES are investigated and hopefully we can find out exactly what is
> going on here and the mud-slinging can end.
> Regardless, keep it civil at all times. We're a political movement, not
> a school yard. Hearsay has no place in a party of information, nor does
> PPI have a place for those who think it appropriate to make a sweeping
> statement against one of their own members on an international mailing
> list. It is grossly unprofessional.
> All I see right now is it seems the regional dispute organ of PPES has
> failed, causing the mess to spill over into the PPI lists. I would like
> to see proper policies implemented within PPI for resolving regional
> disputes between party members and their parties where their regional
> CoA equivalent has failed to resolve the dispute, and I will be adding
> that to my platform for running for the board this coming GA.
> Until the GA, keep it civil guys. This will be sorted out one way or
> Brendan Molloy
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk
> pp.international.general at lists.pirateweb.net
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