[pp.int.general] [RULING] 2012-5 (Validity of 2012 GA Conference)

[Anouk Neeteson]

Precise, it is not the procedure ITSELF that is at risk, but the
participants level of awareness.

To put this is simple words, the Interntional Pirate Party is a beta
release still !!!
What are we as pirates compared to the majority? 1% of the voters?
How can we then put that much emphasis on what we are (trying) to create?

At the best we, the pirates, come to a working political model. To defend
this political structure in the future with the words "we, the pirate party
HAVE (decided) what THE CORRECT system IS." What if the others decide to
change 'our' system? Here the problem of DOGMA rises, that what killed
EVERY free thinking movement so far (read the history). This is the paradox
of the individual versus the group !!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_schools_of_thought
Collective anarchism does exists in the ideal but NOT in the reality. So
ANY given system is LIMITED to itself. So the real problem is to determine
who of us is aware ENOUGH and SKILLED in communicating for these difficult
syntheses.
So the order in practicality should be BEFORE the actual voting ther HAS to
be a CONSENSUS. This is NOT the case so far, because the principle of
dictatorship of the majority has been applied.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Does this make sense?

(By the way although I criticize ourself, this process we're going through
is essential. See it as  learning to swim.)

On 18 August 2012 06:47, Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Anouk Neeteson <jakobsheep at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Andrew, I (obviously) was also not there. I am naïve, so I (often
> without
> > knowing) poke in mud and under the surface(s). I am again pleasently
> > surprised with 1 an update and 2 you also show you can seperate one from
> the
> > other. Emotion from the intellect, the individual from the group.
> > I'm not sure how to say it but logic and honesty WILL make it succeed.
> The
> > collective subconsience is finally moving into the collective conscience.
> > The old ways of thinking are convulging even through our fellow pirates.
> I
> > don't want to preach (another) new age retorics, but listening and
> looking
> > around one can see things actually changing.
> > The new revolution is going to be a 'silent' one. No destruction but
> > carefully keep that what is good functioning, improe what needs to be and
> > REPLACE what is wrong.
> >
> > Al the details are bollocks in the end if we can't change what needs to
> be
> > changed before ANY PERMANENT change can take place. And that is replacing
> > the lie of our so called Free West into true DIRECT democratie. And that
> can
> > only happen with building trust and learning to communicate even better.
> In
> > the end it is about the critical mass that true change will occur, and
> that
> > countdown is about how many truly honest and empathic people coorperate
> in
> > that spirit
> >
> > The technology is available, we only lack excercise/experience and unity.
> >
> > I know how to get united, but not all pirates understand freedom. There
> is
> > NO TOTAL FREEDOM. Therefor must we define it. But that is a bridge too
> far
> > because the 'uniting factor' of the pirate movement today is this
> undefined,
> > by everybody differently perceived abstract 'freedom'
> >
> > Oh dear, does that mean......?
> > Yes we need a set of moral guides/codes for the individuals how to
> > coorperate and function. (like the netiquette)
>
> Well in this particular case I think the rules are already quite well
> established - things like not judging your own case, including in the
> protocol everything that was said - not only what was said by some
> priviledged part of the participants (to be fair I believe that remote
> participation was asking for trouble), not changing rules at the last
> moment and generally playing with the rules.  There are pretty basic
> and very concrete things - I don't think you need to develop any
> additional theory here.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Zbigniew
>
>
> --
> Zbigniew Lukasiak
> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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