[pp.int.general] PPI GA 2013 - Call for Hosts

[Nofel Tiani]

well I don't know if we can link the fact that pirates in Europe are more
active because there is the PPI, when I said active I meant Politically,
not active inside the PPI.

2012/12/6 Andrew Norton <ktetch at gmail.com>

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> On 12/6/2012 12:26 PM, Nofel Tiani wrote:
> > Well in fact:
> >
> > EU: Area                 4,324,782 km2 (1,669,807 sq mi) Population
> > 503,492,041
> >
> > Europe: Area:              10,180,000 km2 (3,930,000 sq mi)
> > Population:    739,165,030
> >
> > Canada: Area                 9,984,670 km2  (3,854,085 sq mi)
> > Population       33,476,688 (2011)
> >
> > but honestly no one can estimate how many pirates will be present,
> > but I think that it will be less than this year, if it is held
> > outside Europe, because the most active pirates are in Europe.
>
> The most active pirates are in Europe, because PPI is almost entirely
> a European thing. Over the past few years, I've come to understand
> that PPI = Pirate Parties Intereuropean.
>
> I'm so sorry that some of you might have to experience what other
> parties have had to experience for THE LAST FIVE YEARS, getting
> treated as second-class parties, because you're not in the 'local club'.
>
> You got to decide, do you want PPI to be interNATIONAL or
> interEUROPEAN? because all I'm hearing is whining. If it's so
> important you go, and it's too far, how does that reflect on your
> attitudes to parties were it's been too far and continues to be?
>
> So it's either vitally important you attend, in which case the
> continued exclusion of non-European pirates says a lot about the real
> goals of PPI
> OR
> It's not actually that important to be physically there, and you're
> whining because you might have to deal with being a second-class
> participant for a change (and when you can't vote, because you didn't
> hear the call to vote because the noise from the bar muffles it,
> you're second class. When you can't speak, because the net goes slow,
> or because the people running the show don't bother to notice you
> requesting to speak, then you're THIRD class.
>
> PPI has become increasingly dysfunctional. All I can say is that
> unless drastic changes are made soon, I can see it shattering and
> falling apart in the next 6 months.
>
>
> TL;DR version
> if there's not a preferred group, why are you afraid of not being in it?
> If there is; shouldn't we try and level things?
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> >
> > 2012/12/6 Scott Elcomb <psema4 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:psema4 at gmail.com>>
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Alexis Roussel
> > <alexis.roussel at partipirate.ch
> > <mailto:alexis.roussel at partipirate.ch>> wrote:
> >> SImple question:
> >>
> >> How many of us will be blocked at the border?
> >
> > I'll not be taking a position on this matter* and can only speak
> > as regards Canada; I don't think there'd be many turned back at
> > our border.  Also, I may be mistaken but I don't recall hearing
> > that the US has officially joined PPI so, were it to be held in the
> > Americas I don't think they could host it..
> >
> > * Unless the GA was held in south-central (ie Toronto, Hamilton)
> > Ontario, it might as well be in Europe for me.  Canada's a big
> > country - it's slightly larger than Europe and has 6 timezones.
> > (Europe has 7 IIRC)
> >
> > -- Scott Elcomb @psema4 on Twitter / Identi.ca / Github & more
> >
> > Atomic OS: Self Contained Microsystems
> > http://code.google.com/p/atomos/
> >
> > Member of the Pirate Party of Canada http://www.pirateparty.ca/
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> >
> >
> >
> > -- Nofel Tiani Treasurer of the Pirate Party Belgium
> >
> >
> >
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Nofel Tiani
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