[pp.int.general] PPI GA 2013 - Call for Hosts

Sun Dec 9 12:07:30 CET 2012

Agreed entirely with Travis.

On 09/12/2012, at 9:47 PM, Travis McCrea wrote:

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> To be honest, I thought she was joking -- considering how absurd the
> statement was. I am not proposing a limitation on free speech, people
> are free to talk about what they would like to. I am proposing the
> option that people step back, look at the big picture, and decide if
> they really want to keep having /this/ discussion when there are other
> things that are happening in the world and in the Pirate movement  
> which
> might actually happen.

Yeah, I don't think Amelia's call was justified on this.

>
> Seattle was asking for information about hosting a GA. That is true,  
> but
> I don't feel that their party will /actually/ put in a bid, and with  
> my
> knowledge of their party it would be my recommendation to the board to
> not host the GA there. (Just being transparent with my decision  
> making).

Agreed — a bid for 2014 or 2015 would be interesting though, right  
under the noses of the MAFIAA. The California Pirate Party would also  
be a good candidate in my opinion later down the track. Though as  
others have said, holding such an event in the United States might be  
precarious.

>
> Now, that being said, a conversation that is a little more relevant  
> and
> carries on from what you guys were talking about -- would be "is it
> wrong for PPI to have it's next GA outside of Europe?"
>
> Many of you disagree, but I feel that we should hold our next GA
> somewhere outside of Europe because this is an international movement.
> If we held a meeting in Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, or Australia it
> would bring a lot of local attention to those Pirate Parties. It would
> also give them a chance to participate in a GA, meeting people that we
> are normally isolated from.

Australia does not plan on offering to host it in 2013 due to  
elections in August and short time. Brazil or Canada look like viable  
options. New Zealand is unlikely to make an offer, for similar reasons  
to Australia.

>
> This is not PPEU, this is PPI. To say that we should not hold meetings
> out side of Europe is disrespectful to the other members who put  
> just as
> much time, money, and energy into their parties as you do.

Separating PPEU from PPI is very important. The distinction between  
meetings for Pirates in Europe, and meetings for Pirates around the  
world is a good step. I would expect further down the track for there  
to be Pacific Pirate Party meetings and Asia-Pacific Pirate Party  
meetings, specifically for parties in those regions. The Europe vs the  
rest of the world debate simply should not exist. Global conferences  
for PPI, European conferences for European Pirates.

>
> Hugo POINTILLART wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In his defense, Travis didn't say that the discussion was
>> "redundant" but hypothetical since there is no US hosting proposal
>> yet (or am i misinformed?). I do agree with him, as i don't think it
>> is relevant to discuss if a host should or not be selected as he has
>> not made a proposal yet (but that's just my opinion).
>>
>> In my opinion, activism (or not) of the local parties (the
>> "pro-europe" argument) should NOT be a criteria for selecting the
>> next host but rather the amount of work put in by the team to prepare
>> and organize the event (letter of support, accomodation and other
>> logistical issues). Otherwise, i do think we are doomed to have
>> regular and infinite discussions about Est versus West or Americas
>> versus Europe or other non productive debate that i don't think lead
>> anywhere. I do think that an "online" (or several) meeting should be
>> a good addendum to the "face to face" (or call it what you want)
>> General Assembly, as it would allow more countries to participate
>> efficiently at a reasonable cost (as it has been pointed out earlier
>> in this thread).
>>
>> Piratement
>>
>> Tywin (PPFR)
>>
>> Le 9 déc. 12 à 01:37, Amelia Andersdotter a écrit :
>>
>>> Pe 08.12.2012 19:29, Travis McCrea a scris:
>> As I said at the beginning of this thread: There are really no states
>> in the US which are developed enough to host a GA anyway. Not now at
>> least.
>>
>> So us debating if we would or wouldn't go to the US is pointless.
>>>>
>>>> i strongly object to the limitation of freedom of speech proposed
>>>> in the above email, merely on the basis that the ensuing
>>>> discussion would be redundant.
>>>>
>>>> we are pirates!
>>>>
>>>> /a
>>>>
>> Kenneth Peiruza wrote:
>>>>>> Al 06/12/12 17:22, En/na Alexis Roussel ha escrit:
>>>>>>> SImple question:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many of us will be blocked at the border?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Alexis Roussel* / Pirate / Vice-Président Parti Pirate
>>>>>>> Suisse
>>>>>> +1, USA is a too risky option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd prefer to host the meeting in a (more) democratic
>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenneth
>>>>>>
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> - -- Respectfully,
>> Travis McCrea Captain, United States Pirate Party International
>> Coordinator, Pirate Party of Canada Chief Administrative Officer,
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>>
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> Respectfully,
> Travis McCrea
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> International Coordinator, Pirate Party of Canada
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