[pp.int.general] Online voting versus online discussion

[Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer]

Sure :)

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On 10/12/2012, at 1:30 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer
> <mozart.palmer at pp-international.net> wrote:
>> Many of us do actually keep Pirate-related blogs.
>>
>
> Care to show yours?  I'd like to add some to my RSS reader :)
>
> Z.
>
>>
>> On 09/12/2012, at 8:04 PM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
>>
>>> Short version:
>>>
>>> online voting - no
>>>
>>> (http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2012/10/155536-internet-voting-in-the-us/fulltext 
>>> )
>>>
>>> online discussion - yes
>>>
>>> Longer version:
>>>
>>> Comming from the Open Source world I am surprised by the scarcity of
>>> international disscussion in the Pirate Movement.  This list and the
>>> PirateTimes are perhaps the only places where the international  
>>> pirate
>>> topics are discussed.  This is not enough - if that was an Open  
>>> Source
>>> project you'd have many individual blogs and many more mailing lists
>>> where people would discuss stuff from many angles and also in more
>>> personal less formal ways.
>>>
>>> I have the feeling that all that discussion that does not happen
>>> online is then crammed into the General Assemblies.  In my opinion  
>>> GAs
>>> should be just a matter of recording the consensus on matters that
>>> would be exhaustingly discussed online.  That is not to say that
>>> discussion would be forbidden - only that we should try to avoid it.
>>>
>>> Online voting is a can of worms - it can probably work well for
>>> non-secret voting - but to get it right is much more difficult  
>>> than it
>>> seems.  Especially in the context of international negotiations we
>>> cannot put so much faith in the  administators of the system.  And
>>> please read the paper linked above.
>>> Of course discussion systems are subject of similar concerns - but  
>>> it
>>> does not need to be so centralized - and beside that it would be
>>> subject to the supervision of the safe, in person, GA.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zbigniew Lukasiak
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> Zbigniew Lukasiak
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