[pp.int.general] Online voting versus online discussion

[Justus Römeth]

A blogroll or at least a link list would actually be a good idea for Pirate Times, I'll try to bring that up.

On 09.12.2012, at 15:39, Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer <mozart.palmer at pp-international.net> wrote:

> Sure :)
> 
> My blog: www.olbrychtpalmer.net
> Another pirate blog: www.brendan.so
> 
> On 10/12/2012, at 1:30 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer
>> <mozart.palmer at pp-international.net> wrote:
>>> Many of us do actually keep Pirate-related blogs.
>>> 
>> 
>> Care to show yours?  I'd like to add some to my RSS reader :)
>> 
>> Z.
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 09/12/2012, at 8:04 PM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Short version:
>>>> 
>>>> online voting - no
>>>> 
>>>> (http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2012/10/155536-internet-voting-in-the-us/fulltext)
>>>> 
>>>> online discussion - yes
>>>> 
>>>> Longer version:
>>>> 
>>>> Comming from the Open Source world I am surprised by the scarcity of
>>>> international disscussion in the Pirate Movement.  This list and the
>>>> PirateTimes are perhaps the only places where the international pirate
>>>> topics are discussed.  This is not enough - if that was an Open Source
>>>> project you'd have many individual blogs and many more mailing lists
>>>> where people would discuss stuff from many angles and also in more
>>>> personal less formal ways.
>>>> 
>>>> I have the feeling that all that discussion that does not happen
>>>> online is then crammed into the General Assemblies.  In my opinion GAs
>>>> should be just a matter of recording the consensus on matters that
>>>> would be exhaustingly discussed online.  That is not to say that
>>>> discussion would be forbidden - only that we should try to avoid it.
>>>> 
>>>> Online voting is a can of worms - it can probably work well for
>>>> non-secret voting - but to get it right is much more difficult than it
>>>> seems.  Especially in the context of international negotiations we
>>>> cannot put so much faith in the  administators of the system.  And
>>>> please read the paper linked above.
>>>> Of course discussion systems are subject of similar concerns - but it
>>>> does not need to be so centralized - and beside that it would be
>>>> subject to the supervision of the safe, in person, GA.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Zbigniew Lukasiak
>>>> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
>>>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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>> 
>> --
>> Zbigniew Lukasiak
>> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/
>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/
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