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[Anouk Neeteson]

@thijs, quote: And to top that off you get distracted with bullshit like
ideology and pointless squabbles with one another. end quote.

I strongly object to naming ideology and pointless squabbles the same.
Thank you.
That lots of people wrongly think of ideology as a restriction of freedom,
is not a valid argument.
Ideology means nothing more or les then 'the system of ideas'. I prefer to
see the ideology as a platform, a guide even, towards freedom in infinety.
And properly understood by everybody would avoid pointless squabbles.  :p

mrNatural
On Dec 21, 2012 2:37 p.m., <thijs.markus at piratenpartij.nl> wrote:

> Yes, I cant quite see on what ground we should prefer either party in
> this... dispute. I dont see that much wrong with what they put on their
> website either. The tone of voice on the website seems to be of a slightly
> authoritative & underdeveloped bent, but well, that's no reason to dismiss
> them.
>
> You know, the great thing about the internet is the way it forces
> evolution. Everyone can make alternatives, and the best (or at least most
> convenient) alternatives get most popular and thus life to survive and fork
> themselves again. Rather than trying to mow down the alternatives with
> (international) force over some petty, trivial ideological differences, you
> should strive to be a better party than they are. This way the party that
> eventually survives is the strongest.
>
> Moreover, when you and they try to do this, you can learn from one
> another's mistakes rather than be at each others throats because you rather
> get fucked over by socialists than capitalists. In the larger scheme, it's
> getting fucked over that's bothersome, not so much who is doing it - and
> there is very little ideology has to do with that situation safe as
> apology. That situation exists because people lack the power to do much
> about their day-to-day lives, being caught in a societal web which is too
> vast to alter easily, and on which they none-the-less depend. And to top
> that off you get distracted with bullshit like ideology and pointless
> squabbles with one another. No wonder they forked.
>
> mattias.bjarnemalm@**piratpartiet.se <mattias.bjarnemalm at piratpartiet.se>schreef op 21.12.2012 14:11:
>
>> There is nothing inherently left-wing with the pirate movement. If
>> there is a center-right pirate group in italy and they adhere to the
>> pirate values of privacy, transparancy and intellectual property
>> reform I see no problem with welcoming them into the pirate family.
>> Regardless of whatever background people who support the project may
>> have.
>>
>> As you describe them as a group of members of the italian pirate
>> party who´ve chosen to fork into a separate party it seems clear that
>> it is not an outside attempt to missuse the name for something that is
>> not pirate politics and it would thus be incredibly wrong for other
>> pirate parties to take sides on this. It is an internal italian
>> problem. Please solve it among yourselves.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Mattias Bjärnemalm
>>
>> On 2012-12-21 13:20, Paolo (pp-it) wrote:
>>
>>> There's a group of members of the Italian Pirate Party which
>>> has chosen to split and launch its own center-right formation
>>> for the coming elections in February. It has the support of
>>> Mr Scilipoti, one of those politicians who helped the Berlusconi
>>> government survive, over a year ago.
>>>
>>> It would be useful for us if the international Pirate movement
>>> where to point out does not support this group and reaffirm its
>>> support for the Italian Pirate Party.
>>>
>>> The values of the right cannot be ours, the values of the rights
>>> cannot be of those who fight for liberty, integration, the dignity
>>> of the people and the end of censorship.
>>>
>>> The choices of the PP-IT that we share are different. We pick
>>> the occasion to express our support to the Pirate candidate for
>>> mayor of the city of Rome, Josef 'JoJo' Yemane.
>>> -
>>> Paolo CocuRoccia - Press Office PP-IT
>>> Marco Confalonieri - International coordinator - PP-IT
>>> Carlo Von Loesch - PP-DE
>>> Alessandra Minoni - Alternate Board - PP-INT
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